You wouldn’t think that a book or Eliza program saying “I see red” were conscious, right? The question is whether optimizing an upload can make it close to an Eliza program for some topics. I think it’s possible, given how little we can say about consciousness (i.e. how few different responses we’d need to code into the Eliza program).
Not disagreeing in principle, it depends on the degree of optimization and the set of data you expect the upload to have low error on. Eliza will succeed on a very small set of data but will fail quickly on anything close to real-life. It’s possible that there’s a more compact representation that results in “I see red” than the DAG with consciousness in it, but I don’t think it’s that easy to optimize out without breaking other tests.
BTW you’ve read Blindsight right? Great scifi on this topic basically (with aliens instead of uploads)
You wouldn’t think that a book or Eliza program saying “I see red” were conscious, right? The question is whether optimizing an upload can make it close to an Eliza program for some topics. I think it’s possible, given how little we can say about consciousness (i.e. how few different responses we’d need to code into the Eliza program).
Not disagreeing in principle, it depends on the degree of optimization and the set of data you expect the upload to have low error on. Eliza will succeed on a very small set of data but will fail quickly on anything close to real-life. It’s possible that there’s a more compact representation that results in “I see red” than the DAG with consciousness in it, but I don’t think it’s that easy to optimize out without breaking other tests. BTW you’ve read Blindsight right? Great scifi on this topic basically (with aliens instead of uploads)