I guess another thing to note is that “people telling you that you are wrong about how you think” can also be an important part of breaking out of wrong, sticky narratives you have about yourself.
Perhaps annoyingly: many of the people who I have found very helpful for learning to “see the water I was swimming in, and take it as object” seem also actively destabilizing for some people around them. (i.e. I’ve gotten a lot of value from Brent, Ziz, Vassar and Geoff Anders. In each of those cases I didn’t actually get too close for long, but I know other people who did and had various flavors of bad experience).
Habryka’s gloss on all this is “telling people they are wrong about what they think is high variance and should be treated as risky, but also has important upside.” I feel like “high variance” is too positive a spin on it, but there’s something important there.
I guess another thing to note is that “people telling you that you are wrong about how you think” can also be an important part of breaking out of wrong, sticky narratives you have about yourself.
Perhaps annoyingly: many of the people who I have found very helpful for learning to “see the water I was swimming in, and take it as object” seem also actively destabilizing for some people around them. (i.e. I’ve gotten a lot of value from Brent, Ziz, Vassar and Geoff Anders. In each of those cases I didn’t actually get too close for long, but I know other people who did and had various flavors of bad experience).
Habryka’s gloss on all this is “telling people they are wrong about what they think is high variance and should be treated as risky, but also has important upside.” I feel like “high variance” is too positive a spin on it, but there’s something important there.