I’m pretty sure that the me from 10 years ago is aligned to different values than the me of today, so I suspect a copy running much faster than me would quickly diverge.
And that’s just a normal speed running version of me one that experienced the world much faster would have such a different experience of the world, as a small example conversations would be more boring but also I’d be more skilled at them, so things would diverge much faster.
Maybe, but we usually endorse the way that our values change over time, so this isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Also, I find it hard to imagine hating my past self so much that I would want to kill him or allow him to be killed. I feel a certain protectiveness and affection for my self 10 or 15 years ago. So I feel like at least weak upload sufficiency should hold, do you disagree?
but we usually endorse the way that our values change over time, so this isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
I’m pretty skeptical of this, of course it seems that way because we are the ones with the new values, but I think this is like 70% just a tautology of valuing valuing the things we currently value, and 20% a psychological thing that justifies our decisions in retrospect and make them seem more consistent than they are, and only 10% any sort of actual consistency effect where if I asked myself at time x if it endorses the value changes I’ve made at future time y, past me would say “yes, y is better than x”.
Also, I find it hard to imagine hating my past self so much that I would want to kill him or allow him to be killed.
I could easily imagine a future version of myself after e.g. hundreds of years of value drift that I would see as horrifying and no longer consider them me.
Eh, the me of 4 or 5 wanted to play with swords, I still want to play with swords. I guess I’m less interested in toys, but I think that was mostly because my options were restricted (the things I like to do now were not possible).
Anyway, I think this is the wrong framing. Our minds develop into maturity from child->adult, after that it’s a lot more stable. I’m not even sure children are complete agents.
It’s true our preferences get more stable as we get older but I still think over the course of decades they change. We’re typically bad at predicting what we’ll want in 10 years even at much older ages.
I’m pretty sure that the me from 10 years ago is aligned to different values than the me of today, so I suspect a copy running much faster than me would quickly diverge.
And that’s just a normal speed running version of me one that experienced the world much faster would have such a different experience of the world, as a small example conversations would be more boring but also I’d be more skilled at them, so things would diverge much faster.
Maybe, but we usually endorse the way that our values change over time, so this isn’t necessarily a bad thing.
Also, I find it hard to imagine hating my past self so much that I would want to kill him or allow him to be killed. I feel a certain protectiveness and affection for my self 10 or 15 years ago. So I feel like at least weak upload sufficiency should hold, do you disagree?
I’m pretty skeptical of this, of course it seems that way because we are the ones with the new values, but I think this is like 70% just a tautology of valuing valuing the things we currently value, and 20% a psychological thing that justifies our decisions in retrospect and make them seem more consistent than they are, and only 10% any sort of actual consistency effect where if I asked myself at time x if it endorses the value changes I’ve made at future time y, past me would say “yes, y is better than x”.
I could easily imagine a future version of myself after e.g. hundreds of years of value drift that I would see as horrifying and no longer consider them me.
Skill issue, past me endorses current me.
I doubt this, it’s very hard to achieve giving developmental issues with stuff like shifting hormones
For instance I bet the you of 4 or 5 would want you to spend your money on much more candy and toys than the you of today.
Eh, the me of 4 or 5 wanted to play with swords, I still want to play with swords. I guess I’m less interested in toys, but I think that was mostly because my options were restricted (the things I like to do now were not possible).
Anyway, I think this is the wrong framing. Our minds develop into maturity from child->adult, after that it’s a lot more stable. I’m not even sure children are complete agents.
It’s true our preferences get more stable as we get older but I still think over the course of decades they change. We’re typically bad at predicting what we’ll want in 10 years even at much older ages.
https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/3SDjtu6aAsHt4iZsR/davey-morse-s-shortform?commentId=3mDiPDcE4wfFnaoDt