Watch this video:
I think it’s a pretty good set of mini debates. Good job EA Yale. I’d be interested to discuss the takes in the video with people who have watched at least the bit they are commenting on.
Write one comment per point your making.
Watch this video:
I think it’s a pretty good set of mini debates. Good job EA Yale. I’d be interested to discuss the takes in the video with people who have watched at least the bit they are commenting on.
Write one comment per point your making.
Veganism:
I though pretty strong, though doesn’t deal with how hard and tiring veganism is. I feel I can do a lot more good if I’m not vegan, hence I offset.
I tried being vegan for 3 months and it was very tiring to me often one of the the main things I was doing that day.
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In the housing argument they both miss that making housing more like a market could lead to more people living in NYC. Like, it isn’t a completely fixed asset, housing can be more dense! And then more people get to benefit.
It isn’t purely a quesiton of who gets to live in NYC it’s about getting more housing to exist.
While I don’t love Destiny’s debate style, I think he makes a great point about reciprocation (here-ish). I need to believe that it’s unsustainable to have one side that embages in good debate norms, and the other side that isn’t willing to at all.
It at least makes sense not to be too upset over Kirk’s death if Republicans won’t do the same over Reiner’s. Likewise while aethetically I don’t like Gavin Newsom’s posts. I think they serve as a balancing force to Trump’s rhetoric.
Finally, I’ve long thought that it makes sense for democrats to gerrymander places if the Republicans are going to gerrymander.
Which leaves me sort of confused as my position here. I don’t like destiny’s crowing over the deaths of Trump supporters. But I find it hard to condemn in the face of the game theory of the situation if republicans often do similar things ( which I think they do).
Only one of these was a politically-motivated assassination.
Do you expect me to struggle to find politically motivated assassinations that Republicans didn’t respond seriously to?
Maybe? No recent ones spring to mind.
Kirk’s jokes about the Paul Pelosi hammer attack? Trump not remembering when those state senators were shot.
These are all very different things—both the attacks, and the responses to the attacks.
To get a real parallel to the Kirk situation, you’d have to have someone like Destiny getting publicly assassinated by someone who unironically claims “Destiny was spreading hate and can’t be reasoned with” as justification, right wing media outlets getting caught
cheering, and in that context someone like Ben Shapiro making jokes about how much blood gushed from Destiny’s neck. Thankfully none of this has happened.
Failing to remember the senator shooting is a much different response to a much different situation. The analogy there would be failing to remember the more closely analogous case where the congressmen where shot by a left wing crazy (remember that one?).
The Paul Pelosi situation is different in a few important ways. The fact that Paul Pelosi is still alive and has recovered is pretty significant. So is the fact that the right wing response was to make fun of him for getting attacked by his gay lover, not to cheer.
If, instead of emphatically stating that he had no sympathy for the Trump supporter killed in the attempted assassination of Trump, Destiny had just made a joke that it was probably Trumps gay lover shooting at him, that would be a very different thing. And pretty funny, IMO.
The problem—and I say this as a fan of Destiny, who has enough Destiny-like tendenciess that when I showed his videos to an ex, her response was “He’s been hanging out with you too much”—is that Destiny is losing track of the actual symmetries and how to break them. I laughed at his vampire joke (and was viscerally bothered by Kirk’s killing), and he’s right that you gotta tit when the other guy tats and saying “I’M ONLY TITTING IN RESPONSE TO YOUR TAT! HOW ’BOUT WE STOP!?” does break the symmetry.
But what he loses track of is that the other side also thinks they’re titting in response to “the other guy started it”, and the other side also thinks “BUT WE’RE OBJECTIVELY RIGHT THO!”, and that when he’s insisting that he has no sympathy for the Trump supporters who were killed, that isn’t above the symmetry it’s actually engaging in the thing (and escalation of the thing) that he wants to see less of (from the other side).
I’m glad that he’s pushing back against the expectation of performative sympathy, and performative condemnation, in favor of (sometimes provocative) humor. I’d like to see the humor be more consistently genuine though, and for him to have some actual sympathy under there too instead of succumbing to the contempt attractor and stoking the flames.
I think your response would admit basically no evidence.
I think Paul Pelosi nearly dying and there being jokes and accusations of him being gay were to not take attacks seriously. I think Trump’s comments about Rob Reiner were not to remotely take his death seriously.
I basically reject your argument on those terms.
Well of course. Can you honestly not see the difference?
LLMs give us a really useful tool for political conversations where “mind killing” is a real risk. We can now post the entire context to Claude and ask a neutral question like “Does it look like <username> is engaging with arguments that might change his mind, or defending against them?”.
What do you predict Claude will say, and are these predictions validated by experiment?
Or rather, before running that check, what would the appropriate response be if one were to run such a check and not receive ego-syntonic feedback? If I run that check and Claude says “Jimmy’s comments contain the following signs of cognitive dissonance:”, what should I do with that?
End of claude.
I’m not really interested in continuing to discuss with you if you are going to dismiss the Paul Pelosi attack out of hand. I just don’t think we’ll get anywhere. Merry Christmas!