If you try to have conversations about things that actually matter, many humans immediately become exactly that unlikeable. It’s through social conditioning that we mostly learn to stop talking about things that matter because it goes so poorly.
I don’t think this is true. This sounds like an issue that stems from the manner in which one approaches conversations, not the sorts of things one talks about.
I do not expect a longer comment on discussion to be useful to this thread (or, more importantly, to the post it’s under), but I would like to put some chips down on the idea that talking to people in respectful and non-smug ways can be a good way to talk about “things that actually matter”.
in the last 5 months I have learned some things about how I engage in truth seeking with people and have updated in this direction, though still think there are important cases of my original point*. I think learning to distinguish them better has been and continues to be high value for me.
*specifically, that people will de facto prioritize their feelings of discomfort in an argument from consequences way even when the outcomes are morally fraught.
If you try to have conversations about things that actually matter, many humans immediately become exactly that unlikeable.
Not sure how that’s relevant to Bostock’s comment. A fictional character does not need to be as unlikable as the real person/people they’re standing in for.
If you try to have conversations about things that actually matter, many humans immediately become exactly that unlikeable. It’s through social conditioning that we mostly learn to stop talking about things that matter because it goes so poorly.
I don’t think this is true. This sounds like an issue that stems from the manner in which one approaches conversations, not the sorts of things one talks about.
I do not expect a longer comment on discussion to be useful to this thread (or, more importantly, to the post it’s under), but I would like to put some chips down on the idea that talking to people in respectful and non-smug ways can be a good way to talk about “things that actually matter”.
in the last 5 months I have learned some things about how I engage in truth seeking with people and have updated in this direction, though still think there are important cases of my original point*. I think learning to distinguish them better has been and continues to be high value for me.
*specifically, that people will de facto prioritize their feelings of discomfort in an argument from consequences way even when the outcomes are morally fraught.
Not sure how that’s relevant to Bostock’s comment. A fictional character does not need to be as unlikable as the real person/people they’re standing in for.