There is a potential discussion to be had someday about whether upvotes and downvotes themselves can be considered to be “in error” given the specific milieu of LW, or whether upvotes and downvotes are sacred à la free speech. Looking at votes on this and other threads, I have frequently had the sense that people were Doing It (Objectively) Wrong, not fundamentally as in wrong-opinions, but culturally as in participation-in-this-culture-means-precommitting-to-supporting-X-and-othering-Y.
I’m aware that there is a strongly-felt libertarian argument against this (a sort of red-versus-white disagreement, in MTG terms) and it’d be interesting to see whether LW wants to have a standard in common knowledge around this question.
This question and its subcomponents are type erroring for me or something.
I think people can downvote/upvote in ways that are not game theoretically optimal given their values.
I think criticizing people’s upvotes/downvotes probably tends to lead to bad outcomes. (Citation needed, but this is what I currently believe)
The notion that you shouldn’t criticize people’s votes because it leads to bad outcomes feels white to me rather than red (which may have actually been what you meant but my impression was you meant Red to be the color of “vote however you want”)
I think criticizing people’s upvotes/downvotes probably tends to lead to bad outcomes. (Citation needed, but this is what I currently believe)
Agreed. But as long as I’m personally forming lists of things that LW culture should get right that most internet culture fails at abysmally … I don’t know whether “users can criticize other users’ votes without the conversation being derailed into status fights” should be on that list or not.
There are certainly comments where the fact of their very high or very low karma scores seems to me to be meaningful evidence re: whether it makes sense to be hopeful about the LessWrong project in general.
Am gathering a little informal data on this on FB now; will report back later. (EDIT: 70 votes, 91% in favor of the position that votes themselves can be considered to be in error; no data collected on how to operationalize that in the social space.)
There is a potential discussion to be had someday about whether upvotes and downvotes themselves can be considered to be “in error” given the specific milieu of LW, or whether upvotes and downvotes are sacred à la free speech. Looking at votes on this and other threads, I have frequently had the sense that people were Doing It (Objectively) Wrong, not fundamentally as in wrong-opinions, but culturally as in participation-in-this-culture-means-precommitting-to-supporting-X-and-othering-Y.
I’m aware that there is a strongly-felt libertarian argument against this (a sort of red-versus-white disagreement, in MTG terms) and it’d be interesting to see whether LW wants to have a standard in common knowledge around this question.
This question and its subcomponents are type erroring for me or something.
I think people can downvote/upvote in ways that are not game theoretically optimal given their values.
I think criticizing people’s upvotes/downvotes probably tends to lead to bad outcomes. (Citation needed, but this is what I currently believe)
The notion that you shouldn’t criticize people’s votes because it leads to bad outcomes feels white to me rather than red (which may have actually been what you meant but my impression was you meant Red to be the color of “vote however you want”)
Agreed. But as long as I’m personally forming lists of things that LW culture should get right that most internet culture fails at abysmally … I don’t know whether “users can criticize other users’ votes without the conversation being derailed into status fights” should be on that list or not.
There are certainly comments where the fact of their very high or very low karma scores seems to me to be meaningful evidence re: whether it makes sense to be hopeful about the LessWrong project in general.
Am gathering a little informal data on this on FB now; will report back later. (EDIT: 70 votes, 91% in favor of the position that votes themselves can be considered to be in error; no data collected on how to operationalize that in the social space.)