See, this is one of the predictions people get totally wrong when they try to interpret singularity activism using religion as a template. It’s not “saving the universe from the heathens” its “optimizing the universe on behalf of everyone, even people who are foolish, shortsighted, and/or misinformed”.
Well formed criticism (even if mean-spirited or uncharitable) is very useful, because it helps identify problems that can be corrected once recognized, and it reduces the likelihood of an insanity spiral due to people agree with each other as a form of monkey grooming while trying to work together effectively. Poorly formed criticism is just noise.
You should talk more about the detailed mechanisms and processes of magical thinking, and less about trivial pattern patches to science fiction.
Please spare me your “optimizations on my behalf” and refrain from telling me what I should talk about. Your language gives you away—it’s the same old grandiose totalitarian mindset in a new guise. Are these criticisms well-formed enough for you?
Fears of competitive exclusion and loss of autonomy seem entirely reasonable issues to be raised by anyone who thoughtfully considers the status quo trajectory of exponential technological improvements and looming resource limitations. However, it seems to me that singularitarians are generally aiming to honestly and ethical respond to these concerns, rather than actively doing something that would make the concerns more pressing.
If this isn’t clear to people who know enough to troll with as much precision and familiarity as you, then I’d guess that something might be going wrong somewhere. Can you imagine something that you could see in this community that would allay some of your political concerns? What would constitute counter evidence for future scenarios whose prospects make you unhappy?
See, this is one of the predictions people get totally wrong when they try to interpret singularity activism using religion as a template. It’s not “saving the universe from the heathens” its “optimizing the universe on behalf of everyone, even people who are foolish, shortsighted, and/or misinformed”.
Well formed criticism (even if mean-spirited or uncharitable) is very useful, because it helps identify problems that can be corrected once recognized, and it reduces the likelihood of an insanity spiral due to people agree with each other as a form of monkey grooming while trying to work together effectively. Poorly formed criticism is just noise.
You should talk more about the detailed mechanisms and processes of magical thinking, and less about trivial pattern patches to science fiction.
Charitable interpretation: “the heathens” == “AGI developers who don’t care about Friendliness”.
Please spare me your “optimizations on my behalf” and refrain from telling me what I should talk about. Your language gives you away—it’s the same old grandiose totalitarian mindset in a new guise. Are these criticisms well-formed enough for you?
Yes, thank you, that’s much more precise :-)
Fears of competitive exclusion and loss of autonomy seem entirely reasonable issues to be raised by anyone who thoughtfully considers the status quo trajectory of exponential technological improvements and looming resource limitations. However, it seems to me that singularitarians are generally aiming to honestly and ethical respond to these concerns, rather than actively doing something that would make the concerns more pressing.
If this isn’t clear to people who know enough to troll with as much precision and familiarity as you, then I’d guess that something might be going wrong somewhere. Can you imagine something that you could see in this community that would allay some of your political concerns? What would constitute counter evidence for future scenarios whose prospects make you unhappy?