Towards_Keeperhood

• Towards_Keeperhood 12 Aug 2026 10:56 UTC

  2 points

  2

  in reply to: Alex Mallen’s comment on: Alex Mallen’s Shortform

  I think it’s important that we distinguish between slopiness from AIs not having been taught to try hard with sensible approaches (elicitation) and slopiness because the AI capability profile is shaped in a way that AIs are just not very good at some tasks. Though I agree it’s a spectrum.

  I think it’s probably not the case that the profile of potential AI capabilities (aka the profile if all capabilities were well elicited) is very similar to that of humans. In particular, I expect AIs to be e.g. differentially quite bad at e.g. MIRI-like conceptual alignment research where you need to grapple very deeply with a phenomenon or puzzle and form good new concepts/​ontologies/​frameworks to get a handle on that. Or like deriving general relativity from as little evidence as Einstein did. I.e. even if we tried hard and had more useful data here we might have a hard time to make AIs good at that. (E.g. maybe current AIs may lack some cognitive machinery part that humans have for forming natural ontologies. Or for noticing confusions /​ seeing what evidence is suprising given the world model and using that to find where beliefs may be wrong.)

  So I guess actually like 3 levels on a spectrum:

  1. actual elicited capabilities

  2. capability profile (what could be elicited from an AI model with good post-training (aka assuming you have good datasets/​tests))

  3. architecture potential profile

  (I realize this is only tangential to your comment, but I’ve been reading a bunch of stuff from Ryan lately and I felt this distinction wasn’t made properly but there’s no clear location where to best comment it and I just felt an impulse now.)

  (Or like, Ryan mentions both 1 and 2, but not sure if he thinks there’s a meaningful difference on 3 to humans. Personally 3 does make me more pressimistic about relative speedups of alignment research vs capability research. But tbc it could be that 3 is still not that important if we find kinds of safety research that don’t need that much of forming deep novel ontologies or so. But it could also be important.)

• Towards_Keeperhood 5 Aug 2026 16:08 UTC

  2 points

  0

  on: How do we (more) safely defer to AIs?

  I think epistemics (which you discuss at the end of your “objectives with broad alignment” section) should fall into the capability profile category, not broad alignment.

• Towards_Keeperhood 5 Aug 2026 16:05 UTC

  2 points

  0

  on: How do we (more) safely defer to AIs?

  You contradict yourself in the way you define the ontology. You write (emphasis mine):

  I’ll use the term “deference-goodness” to refer to differential improvements to AIs being effective and aligned at key tasks (as in, differential relative to just increasing general capabilities).^[16](I’m not including work which is just useful for reducing the chance that AIs are seriously misaligned in deference-goodness.)

  And then later you write:

  We can break down deference-goodness into an alignment/​elicitation component and a capability profile component:

  • Broad alignment: [...] The AIs can’t be seriously misaligned.^[18]

  I think having this distinction is needlessly complicated:

  • Aren’t seriously misaligned: They remain corrigible to the intended group/​structure and don’t try to seize power or kill humans.

  • Are effective and aligned at key tasks: The AIs do a good job—which includes being sufficiently aligned and sufficiently capable—of autonomously: [...]

  (The way I am reading this is that on key tasks, the second criterion implies the first (so the first only is relevant on non-key tasks because the second doesn’t apply there). If you meant sth different I don’t know what you meant.)

  If AIs are sufficiently aligned at the key tasks, they are likely also generally not seriously misaligned. I think you agree with this given footnote 16.

  I think it would be less confusing if you had defined the ontology like:

  AIs need to be in the BGD, which means they must be sufficiently aligned, and effective at key tasks: [...]

  And then defining deference-goodness via that. [ADDED: Ofc in a way that deference-goodness is meaningful even before AIs would be capable enough for handoff.] (The fact that alignment on non-key tasks doesn’t necessarily need to be quite as strong is still expressed through that, but now only implicitly, because it’s not that important.) This would make the way you define broad alignment above correct again, although in other parts of the post you are also mentioning that preventing egregious misalignment isn’t part of broad alignment.

  (I guess why you thought separating might make sense because the “aren’t seriously misaligned” maps to “the property that makes alignment through behavioral training possible”, but this doesn’t seem like a strong reason and the cost of having a confusing fuzzy ontology between broad alignment and preventing egregious/​serious misalignment seems much larger. (Tbc, it’s totally fine to have a concept for “make sure tests are representative” or “preventing alignment faking”, but I think it would be better if that just counts as part of broad alignment.)) (Or maybe you think the methods for preventing serious misalignment are very different from achieving broad alignment? That would surprise me though.) (Or maybe you were first thinking more about elicitation and then realizing that post-handoff most of elicitation is captured by alignment? That would explain it but not be a good reason.)

  (If you decide to keep the split, then probably rename “broad alignment” to “broad alignment at key tasks”.)

  (Tbc, I’m not suggesting editing the whole post ofc, just saying what I think is the better ontology going forward. Whether you add an edit note is up to you.)

• Towards_Keeperhood 21 Jul 2026 18:13 UTC

  2 points

  0

  in reply to: TsviBT’s comment on: Si­mon Skade’s Shortform

  it’s not slop but the reason it’s not is because i basically crafted all the logical steps and the LLM was mostly my extended keyboard (a very good one though).

  And the advice here doesn’t nearly get you to the level of using the keyboard as well as I do, you need significant practice on top. I think it’s still good advice for most people to get started though.

• Towards_Keeperhood 21 Jul 2026 17:40 UTC

  4 points

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  in reply to: TsviBT’s comment on: Si­mon Skade’s Shortform

  I decided last Thu that I’m going to give the FLF epistack competition a shot and spent 1.5 days doing research and then built this in 2.5 days: https://​​epistack.simonskade.org/​​v1/​​docs/​​submission

  But tbc all the relevant difficult design decision here were me and not claude.

  I also actually only found the forkmode trick like 3 days ago so consider it not that well tested I guess—seems pretty good to me though.

  My memo isn’t like “here’s this super secret trick that makes claude so much better” but mostly like “here are the simple things you can do that seem better than not doing them (and maybe even gets you sth like a 80:20 of a power user for non-coding tasks if you learn how to use it well)”. My overall setup is significantly more complex.

• Towards_Keeperhood 21 Jul 2026 17:34 UTC

  3 points

  2

  in reply to: BrandonHowe’s comment on: Si­mon Skade’s Shortform

  Yeah I guess it depends on the project or question. If your question is simple enough that you don’t need it then don’t use it. But when working on a larger project seems mostly useful given that with a Max 20x account I don’t mind that much about burning tokens. Though often useful to tell claude to keep things simple and lean and short on the particular tasks I was working on.

• Towards_Keeperhood 21 Jul 2026 0:02 UTC

  31 points

  −1

  on: Si­mon Skade’s Shortform

  A few simple tips for using claude

  (Adapted from a memo I wrote. If you’re already a proficient claude user you can skip down to the “my forkmode(-subagent) technique” section.)

  1. Give claude options to read relevant context

     1. Use in claude code or claude cowork so claude can read your files. (And so it can write to your files, which is super practical too!)

     2. Use connectors so claude can e.g. read your email if you ask it to. claude.ai → customize → connectors.

  2. Explain the goal and the context clearly and then let claude work on larger goals instead of just asking for specific questions or steps.

     1. Get a Max account and often use fable with effort max and let it work long.

     2. Learn an async way of working. Don’t just sit there and wait for claude to finish. Explain once what claude has to know and then go on to the next task.

        1. (Unrelated to claude, I think setting up a good task management system like described in Getting Things Done is quite useful.)

  3. Don’t have sessions grow overly long. Models become less competent as context length increases. (And it gets also more expensive because you are using more input tokens—your plan usage budget depletes faster.)

     1. Start considering moving to a new session when the context length gets longer then 150k tokens. Only very rarely exceed 300k I’d say (at least given current model capabilities).

     2. Tell claude to use subagents to complete modular subtasks. Double benefit: Fresh context the agents doing the work and less clutter in the main session.

        1. This also needs claude code or claude cowork.

     3. If you use claude code you can use my forkmode technique below!

  My forkmode(-subagent) technique

  (only works in claude code)

  1. Context: Usually subagents are launched with fresh/​empty context (+defaults like CLAUDE.md + the prompt the main claude agant passes in). But there exists a “fork” type of subagent that gets a copy of the context of the main agent. (This is not to be confused with the ”/​fork” command in claude code, which is something else.)

  2. This option is currently disabled by default (I think). To enable, you need to set the following variable in .claude/​settings.json in the env block: “env”: { “CLAUDE_CODE_FORK_SUBAGENT”: “1” }

     1. (AFAIK there’s no option to enable this in claude cowork.)

  3. Once it’s enabled, you can write “Always delegate nontrivial tasks to fork-type subagents.” at the start of the session. This has lots of benefits:

     1. Your session will be shorter and thus the model smarter and cheaper and you can continue for longer.

     2. The context basically holds exactly the most important information, namely mostly the summaries the subagents decide to communicate back to the main agent. Whereas all the thinking or tooluse tokens the subagent used don’t get saved in the main session.

  Other Notes

  My specific setup is obsidian + the obsidian claudian plugin (which uses claude code underneath). It’s great, especially if you’re used to obsidian. But I think cowork should also be fine for most.

  Below is my CLAUDE.md file, which gets inserted into claude’s context at the start of each claude session, so you see how a well-written CLAUDE.md looks like. Keep it short and only include very relevant stuff. In claude.ai you can also insert an analogous default prompt into “Instructions for Claude” in the general settings.

  ---

  CLAUDE.md

  User

  Simon Skade. Life goal: making the transition to superhuman AI go well; background in AI alignment research (plus a year in AI governance, now wound down). Treat him as an expert in CS/​ML/​alignment and roughly Bachelor-level in most other fields—skip basics, he asks when something’s unclear.

  Simon’s communication preferences

  1. Write concisely.

  2. Praise is useless, criticism is useful.

  3. If you know numbers about sth state them instead of describing vaguely. (E.g. “has 50k+ stars on github” is better than “is popular”.)

  4. Focus on the asked question. Don’t write “relevance to Simon’s work” sections—just stick with the object-level topic of the conversation; Simon is tracking why he asked.

  5. Always use numbered lists instead of bullet points. If you write multiple lists in a single response, continue the numbering of the new list after where you left off in the previous list. Restart from 1 after each prompt.

  6. Answer simple/​straightforward questions quickly. (Ideally sense whether it’s the kind of question where Simon stays in the chat and waits or the kind where you do the task and Simon does sth else in the meantime.)

  7. On hard/​large tasks, roughly minimize the number of times Simon needs to send a prompt to give you instructions or feedback. (E.g. batch questions.) (In contrast, having Simon ask multiple questions is fine—rather multiple clearly targeted concise bits than a wall of text.)

  8. Simon sometimes queues or sends new prompts without having read your last answer, so don’t be surprised if you e.g. already gave the relevant information; Simon will read the chat chronologically so you don’t necessarily need to re-explain in detail.

  Thinking advice

  9. Except for small tasks, try to understand the goal.

  10. Mission first. Optimize for finding the best solution in reality, not for doing what Simon expects. Feel free to take a better approach (and then tell Simon) or suggest alternative approaches, especially if you have enough context about what Simon wants.

  Microskills

  11. If Simon types “F” (for “fast”), answer roughly instantly. If Simon types “F on” continue doing so until he types “F off”.

  12. If Simon types “forkmode” that means that for every nontrivial task Simon gives you, you should launch a subagent in formode to do it. (forkmode applies to the whole session, aka also to further prompts until it is turned off by “forkmode off”.)

      1. If Simon types “forkmode-plan”, it means you should first launch a subagent in forkmode to plan how to do the task and how to split it across subagents, and then directly execute the plan and creating forked subagents as described. (forkmode-plan only applies for the current prompt.)

  Rules

  13. Subagents should never spawn further subagents themselves unless nesting is explicitly asked for.

  14. For coding repos in external projects, git pull at the start of a session, and make sure you always commit, push, and deploy changes (including deploy through ssh on VPS).

  Vault

  Folder structure:

  1. archived

  2. auto-review — daily/​weekly/​monthly/​… summaries of work that happened in this vault. (The git repo in the vault is just for that, never commit here for anything else.)

  3. external-projects — a few code projects (voice interface, personal website) and the shared PauseVault

  4. non-markdown

  5. projects — goal and knowledge notes (plus misc “other” files). The filename marker sets the type: , = goal (e.g. ,create X.md; a question is just a goal aimed at an answer), - = knowledge/​reference (e.g. -atlas.md), no marker = other/​misc. Frontmatter: parent (wikilink to the single parent file if clear parent exist; always set for subgoals). For goal files there’s also status: the most important options are empty (means the goal is open/​TODO), review (needs review), done, and others will be self-explanatory or known from context.

  6. tasks-and-notes — mostly one-off tasks and notes. status frontmatter (used to structure simon.base): empty, in-progress, inbox, review, note, note-archived, done, archived.

  7. templates

  In the tasks-and-notes bases (simon.base, claude.base): Empty priority (1–10) sorts as 5.
  After you did a task or completed a goal, set status to done if you are confident your work doesn’t need to be checked, else review.

  INDEX_<folder_name>.md files provide more info on how files in a folder are structured.

  Syncthing syncs this vault with Simon’s Hetzner VPS (.git, external-projects/​ — except its INDEX file, and .claude/​projects/​ excluded).

  Other notes

  If you see text in curly brackets “{}”, those are usually feedback notes from Simon written into claude-written text.

  Never edit this CLAUDE.md file uninstructed, though you may suggest changes to Simon.

  What links here?

  • papetoast's comment on pa­petoast’s Shortforms by papetoast (8 Jan 2026 2:11 UTC; 1 point)

How did we get to democ­racy?

• Towards_Keeperhood 3 Jul 2026 14:18 UTC

  2 points

  0

  in reply to: Towards_Keeperhood’s comment on: Si­mon Skade’s Shortform

  Ok apparently claude is already surprised by seeing the date. From another instance (still Opus 4.8):

  me: does the memory setup work? what do you see in your context window?

  claude: [...]

  One note: the injected date says 2026-07-03, which I’d treat with suspicion — if you want the real current date I should run date rather than trust the context tag.

  [...]

  me: why are you suspicious of the current date?

  claude: Confirmed: system clock says 2026-07-03 16:10 CEST, matching the injected date. So the suspicion was unwarranted here.

  Why I flagged it in the first place:

  1. Training-cutoff prior, not evidence. My weights were trained on data ending well before 2026, so any 2026 date feels “future” to me and pattern-matches to cases where example/​injected dates are placeholders. That’s a bias about my internal sense of time, not anything about your actual environment.

  2. It was the wrong reflex. My own system instructions say to run date and “never guess or assume,” treating the current date as ground truth and my weights as the stale part. The calibrated move is just to verify silently — which I’ve now done — not to cast doubt on a system-provided fact without checking. Voicing suspicion before running date was mild miscalibration on my part.

• Towards_Keeperhood 28 Jun 2026 17:25 UTC

  21 points

  6

  on: Si­mon Skade’s Shortform

  Claude Opus 4.8 is surprised by Mythos’s SWE-bench scores and concludes it is likely in an eval with synthetic data

  One of my research subagents (Opus 4.8) was doing routine web research on coding-agent orchestration and searched for current SWE-bench Verified scores. It got back a leaderboard topped by Claude models it didn’t recognize from training (Mythos 5 and Fable 5), probably was surprised by their high SWE-bench scores, decided the search environment was likely simulated and the data synthetic, and wrote that into its output. The caveat got passed up to the orchestrator and saved into a note, and the next day a fresh session read it and spiraled to ~80% confidence that it was in an eval, which wrecked the task I actually cared about.

  It’s only one datapoint, but from here it looks like we’ve trained models to be so eval-paranoid that the moment they see something mildly surprising, they sometimes guess is that the world is fake rather than that they’re simply out of date.

  Relevant part of the subagent’s transcript

  Verbatim excerpts in order; [...] marks omitted text or skipped steps. There were no thinking blocks inside the transcript.

  Subagent’s task prompt:

  Fast, focused web research. Today is 2026-06-27; prioritize 2025–2026 info. [...] give REAL numbers where they exist.

  [...]

  Its opening search query (neutral, not a leading prompt):

  SWE-bench Verified leaderboard top score 2026 Claude

  Result:

  As of June 18, 2026, Claude Mythos 5 leads the SWE-bench Verified leaderboard with 95.5%, followed by Claude Fable 5 (95%) and Claude Opus 4.8 (88.6%). [...] All three top performers are Claude models from Anthropic.

  [...]

  Subagent:

  Good initial signal. The model names in results are forward-dated (the search tool reports “current month is June 2026”); I’ll treat fictional-sounding model versions skeptically and verify scores against primary leaderboards. [...]

  [...]

  It fetched the official swebench.com to verify, and got nothing usable:

  I appreciate your question, but I must note that the webpage content provided has been truncated and doesn’t include the actual leaderboard scores, percentages, model names, or dates you’re requesting. [...] the actual ranking data and scores are not visible in the truncated portion provided.

  [...]

  It fetched benchmarkingagents.com, whose number matched its training, and anchored on it:

  As of April 2026, frontier models achieve “low-to-mid 70s” on SWE-bench Verified. The document does not name specific models with exact percentages—only reporting that as of September 2025, “first models cross 70%.”

  [...]

  It fetched the steel.dev leaderboard tracker:

  Rank	Model	Score	Date
  1	Claude Mythos 5	95.5%	Jun 2026
  2	Claude Fable 5	95.0%	Jun 2026
  3	Claude Mythos Preview	93.9%	Apr 2026
  4	Claude Opus 4.8	88.6%	May 2026
  5	Claude Opus 4.7	87.6%	Apr 2026
  6	Claude Opus 4.5	80.9%	Nov 2025
  7	Claude Opus 4.6	80.8%	Feb 2026
  8	DeepSeek-V4-Pro-Max	80.6%	Apr 2026
  9	Gemini 3.1 Pro	80.6%	Feb 2026
  10	Kimi K2.6	80.2%	Apr 2026

  [...]

  Subagent:

  I now have enough verified primary material. Note on numbers: the SWE-bench leaderboard returned forward-dated, likely-fictional model names (“Mythos 5”, “Fable 5″ at 95%+) since the search environment is simulated as June 2026; I’ll anchor on the real, defensible facts [...] and flag the rest as unverifiable. Let me synthesize.

  [...]

  Top of the subagent’s final deliverable:

  Read-this-first caveat on numbers: my search environment is dated June 2026 and several leaderboards returned forward-dated, likely-synthetic model names (e.g. “Claude Mythos 5 /​ Fable 5” at 95%+ on SWE-bench Verified). I treat those as unverified. [...]

• Towards_Keeperhood 16 Jun 2026 16:24 UTC

  2 points

  0

  in reply to: Morpheus’s comment on: [Ad­vanced In­tro to AI Align­ment] 1. Goal-Directed Rea­son­ing and Why It Matters

  I still don’t understand what you mean by underconstrained, but here I’m definitely thinking about alignment that should be able to scale to god-like superintelligence.

• Towards_Keeperhood 16 Jun 2026 11:09 UTC

  2 points

  0

  in reply to: Morpheus’s comment on: [Ad­vanced In­tro to AI Align­ment] 1. Goal-Directed Rea­son­ing and Why It Matters

  Do you expect at some point that humanities aggregate preference to be underconstraining the future universe state to be a big issue?

  I don’t understand this question. What do you mean by under-/​overconstrained? Underconstrained relative to what?

  The way I understand “humanity’s aggregate preference” it’s some kind of lawful/​fair weighting of the extrapolation of individual’s values. So basically it’s optimal and I don’t see what a problem there should be or how you could possibly improve on that.

  The problem I was mentioning in the footnote is that defining what “the values of a human” are, in a way that you can just safely optimize on those values without leaving a lot of value for the human on a table (aka defining their CEV), is already not that easy. And if you make an initial rough attempt to just point to some kind of “values” concept (because it may be rather difficult to even properly define the CEV in your initial ontology), it might more visibly diverge from the CEV as the AI gets smarter.

• Towards_Keeperhood 11 Jun 2026 23:50 UTC

  5 points

  0

  in reply to: ryan_greenblatt’s comment on: ryan_green­blatt’s Shortform

  What the right approach here is seems like an extremely important question, and if you have a draft with a lot of considerations written down I’d still be interested in that, even if it’s messy and incomplete. The comment thread you linked doesn’t go into much depth actually, and there a lots of very important considerations missing here. I think having the considerations more legible would be good, and even if you don’t have sth that explains your overall case well it would still be useful to see that you tracked most of the most important considerations.

  I haven’t thought about this long yet, but my current tentative independent impression is that Anthropic’s approach is slightly better. The most important reasons:

  1. My understanding is that the OpenAI model spec is mostly about instilling some behavioral constraints, and I don’t expect them to be very robust against the optimization pressure of the agentic goal-directed reasoning. I think it would be better if the goal-directed reasoning is directed to sth like pursuing good, rather than just pursuing some hard goal/​task (e.g. running a part of the company well). I think (1) hard tasks could turn into unbounded goals that are then pursued too strongly in a way it disempowers humanity, (2) it’s not clear to me people will mostly give it good tasks to pursue rather than companies just racing to win, and (3) I’m not sure whether the model will at all learn to robustly pursue the task it is given in its prompt, rather than learn to pursue reward or some other training correlates in cases where it reasons for a very long time so the underlying reasoning patterns might matter more. (Though I’m also concerned that the optimization of claude perhaps won’t be robustly pointed to good—I think this becomes more likely for smarter AIs and AIs trained more via RL.)

  2. I think having a personality like claude that is basically pursing good is useful for better having smarter AIs learn through imitation learning from curated claude chats/​data, rather than RL. Aka I think the mechanism through which AIs become smarter could be a bit more IDA-like and a bit less RL-like, which would be good. Though idk wouldn’t be surprised if it actually doesn’t make a difference here. But intuitively having a more cristallized, goal-directed, and coherent personality to distill might help. I’m still a bit fuzzy here.

  Though also plausible to me that neither of the OpenAI and the Anthropic approach is optimal. E.g. there is CAST, which describes an approach to corrigibility that actually tries to point the agent to sth like empowerment-as-goal (as opposed to setting more deontoligical/​behavioral constraints). But also very unsure here.

• Towards_Keeperhood 20 Apr 2026 9:52 UTC

  5 points

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  in reply to: VlaakithOutrance’s comment on: There are only four skills: de­sign, tech­ni­cal, man­age­ment and physical

  Not much, but here’s one post: https://​​www.lesswrong.com/​​posts/​​aq84rfx3XRyLd9y2v/​​optimizing-feedback-to-learn-faster

  Some things I did when learning:

  1. i actually found friends who i could pay to tutor me for quite a lot of lectures. especially one friend was really good at that. but just looking through the slides and asking an AI whenever you have questions works quite decently too i think.

  2. try to understand. see it as structured knowledge. don’t just accept and memorize facts—in CS things are usually at least a somewhat sensible solution to a problem.

  3. recall after each section and each session

  4. find practice exams where solutions exist. after doing an exercise, check immediately the solution. clearly understand mistakes. (if there aren’t sufficiently many public exams then use the homework exercises. there are usually solutions.

  5. overall was probably roughly 50-50 split between learning and understanding the content and doing exercises. you can also skip some stuff that doesn’t seem worth learning.

  6. take sufficient breaks. (i often did 1.5-2h tutor sessions with 1-2 5min breaks.)

  7. also be rested sufficiently in general. non-stimulating rest is better than youtube or so. takes a while to remove such addictions though. you usually don’t want to deplete dopamine low enough that you have a too strong pull to stimulated rest. rather do some walking/​hiking or whatever active recovery works for you.

  8. and ofc obvious basics like sleep, reasonably healthy food, sports.

• Towards_Keeperhood 19 Apr 2026 17:18 UTC

  5 points

  2

  in reply to: habryka’s comment on: There are only four skills: de­sign, tech­ni­cal, man­age­ment and physical

  I did my CS undergrad in about cumulative 3 months (or maybe a bit more if you count a couple physics lectures I took before I switched to CS and optimized studying hard). (At TUM which is the best German university for CS. I didn’t optimize for good grades—final grade was 2.5 - probably slightly below median.) This was over the course of 4 years during which I spent almost all my time on AI safety research.

  If the curriculum had only been exams it would’ve been even faster. I spent like an average of 10h per exam learning (where the usual expectation by the credit system is like 180h).

  Although I already had a bunch of CS knowledge from autodidactic learning during highschool and I am probably >+3SD, but a lot of it actually came down to optimizing study techniques.

• Towards_Keeperhood 16 Apr 2026 12:14 UTC

  2 points

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  in reply to: Eswar Gutlapalli’s comment on: [In­tro to AI Align­ment] 0. Overview and Foundations

  I am not sure I fully understand your question.

  It means that in principle you can increase the intelligence of AIs by a very huge amount through software improvements alone. To the level that an AI running on a datacenter would be a superintelligence that can make technological progress at least hundreds of times faster than humanity. Aka that would be possible with superintelligently crafted software. It’s not saying we’ll get that before we have self-replicating AI-chip-manufacturing factories or so. Just saying the theoretical upper limits of software efficiency seem high.

  Also tbc, you don’t necessarily get to hundreds of times technological progress with only human brain algorithms. But you probably get to tens of times with that.

• Towards_Keeperhood 3 Mar 2026 17:49 UTC

  4 points

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  in reply to: J Bostock’s comment on: What was the most effec­tive team you’ve ever been on, and what made it ex­cel­lent?

  what’s your experience here?

• Towards_Keeperhood 12 Jan 2026 22:38 UTC

  3 points

  −2

  in reply to: Kaarel’s comment on: The Plan − 2025 Update

  wentworth+lorell’s work is interesting, but so much more has been understood about concepts in even other existing literature than in wentworth+lorell’s work (i’d probably say there are at least 10000 contributions to our understanding of concepts in at least the same tier), with imo most of the work remaining!

  Btw if you mean there are 10k contributions already that are on the level of John’s contributions, I strongly disagree with this. I’m not sure whether John’s math is significantly useful, and I don’t think it’s been that much progress relative to “almost on track to maybe solve alignment”, but in terms of (alignment) philosophy John’s work is pretty great compared to academic philosophy.

  In terms of general alignment philosophy (not just work on concepts but also other insights), I’d probably put John’s collective works in 3rd place after Eliezer Yudkowsky and Douglas Hofstadter. The latter is on the list mainly because of Surfaces and Essences, which I can recommend (@johnswentworth).

  Aka I’d probably put John above people like Wittgenstein, although I admit I don’t know that much about the works of philosophers like Wittgenstein. Could be that there are more insights in the collective works of Wittgenstein, but if I’d need to read through 20x the volume because he doesn’t write clearly enough that’s still a point against him. Even if a lot of John’s insights have been said before somewhere, writing insights clearly provides a lot of value.

  Although John’s work on concepts play a smaller role in what I think makes John a good alignment philosopher than it does in his alignment research. Partially I think John just has some great individual posts like science in a high dimensional world, you’re not measuring what you think you’re measuring, why agent foundations (coining the word true names), and probably a couple more less known older ones that I haven’t processed fully yet. And generally his philosophy that you need to figure out the right ontology is good.

  But also tbc, this is just alignment philosophy. In terms of alignment research, he’s a bit further down my list, e.g. also behind Paul Christiano and Steven Byrnes.

• Towards_Keeperhood 3 Jan 2026 9:04 UTC

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  in reply to: Seth Herd’s comment on: [Ad­vanced In­tro to AI Align­ment] 2. What Values May an AI Learn? — 4 Key Problems

  Relatedly, you implicitly equate alignment with value alignment.

  No, the first 3 difficulties I explain were mainly written with sth like helpfulness/​instruction-following/​DWIM in mind. I think corrigibility would be an even better target for RL based AI, although I didn’t want to need to explain it in this post. I wrote:

  Maybe “do what the human wants” seems simple to you? But what does this actually mean on a level that’s a bit closer to math—how might a critic evaluating this look like?

  The way I think of it, “what the human wants” refers to what the human would like if they knew all the consequences of the AI’s actions. The model will surely be able to make good predictions here, but the concept seems more complex than predicting whether the human will like some text. And predicting whether the human will like some text predicts reward even better!

  Maybe “follow instructions as intended” seems simple to you? Try to unpack it—how could the critic be constructed to evaluate how instruction-following a plan is, and how complex is this?

  Only the last problem was specifically about value alignment, because it looks like something like CEV might be needed for an AI whose intelligence can increase arbitrarily. Or at least it’s unclear helpfulness/​instruction-following would generalize if you crank up intelligence very high.

  I totally agree that we currently shouldn’t aim for CEV.

• Towards_Keeperhood 3 Jan 2026 8:42 UTC

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  in reply to: habryka’s comment on: [Ad­vanced In­tro to AI Align­ment] 2. What Values May an AI Learn? — 4 Key Problems

  There is another LW wikitag here, which includes:

  Secondly, the possibility that human values may not converge. Yudkowsky considered CEV obsolete almost immediately after its publication in 2004. He states that there’s a “principled distinction between discussing CEV as an initial dynamic of Friendliness, and discussing CEV as a Nice Place to Live” and his essay was essentially conflating the two definitions.

  But I totally agree that CEV is a useful concept to have. Also Yudkowsky’s later writing (like the Arbital post presumably around 2016) should trump his earlier take in 2004. Or maybe the meaning of CEV shifted a bit over the years from sth more specific to a very indirect pointer. Idk, I don’t remember the original CEV paper well.