Dale Udall

Karma: 66

Dale Udall 6 Feb 2021 17:00 UTC
2 points
on: Intuitions about utilities
When boxes A and B hold your sister and a thousand people, respectively, it becomes a classic Trolley Problem instead of a Prisoner’s Dilemma.

Dale Udall 6 Feb 2021 17:24 UTC
12 points
on: Open & Welcome Thread – February 2021
I’m Dale Udall, a self-taught GenX philosopher and Grey-tribe quokka. For twenty years, I’ve been living my life informed by an original naive philosophy I call Triessentialism. I plan to start making it public under this persona on this site, to distance the philosophy from all the other footprints I’ve left on the Internet.
Triessentialism is a fractal ontology. It can be used for philosophical realizations and reorganization. I’ve applied it to ethics, erisology, AI safety, economics, music theory, marketing, sociology, self-help psychology, and more.
I believe it could revolutionize the field of teaching people like myself on the autism spectrum how to thrive in society, and not just fail at passing as normal.
I believe it could bring some balance to our public discourse through greater inter-tribe understanding, for those willing to listen and think.
I believe it exists as the hidden bedrock of all solid, time-tested institutions and systems, and I consider myself a paleontologist of philosophy, finding the bones of the past, not an inventor.
My favorite fiction authors from my youth are Isaac Asimov and C.S. Lewis, and my favorite fiction authors in adulthood are Matthew Woodring Stover, Robert Heinlein, George Orwell, and comic book writer Joe Kelly. I’ve read and enjoyed HPMOR, Worm, The Last Unicorn and Watership Down. I’m an idealist and a romantic in the colloquial senses of those terms.

Dale Udall 8 Feb 2021 19:16 UTC
−1 points
in reply to: Bob Baker’s comment on: Book review: Sleight of Mind (Matt Cook)
It’s interesting that you choose dividing by zero as your comparison to infinity, because there are infinite possible solutions to x/0.
It seems to me that by introducing infinites and infinitesimals to mathematics, mathematicians did something similar to how algebra made addition and multiplication “live together” despite their incompatability. By giving definition to something that sometimes can and sometimes can’t work with other parts of math, mathematicians brought the outside in, and fenced the universe.
I also find myself wondering if anyone thinks giving zero a name was a mistake. Zero is the reason there’s an x/0 asymptote.
As someone who read the book, you can answer this question: how often was zero (or nothingness) included in the paradoxes in the book? Without having read it, I’m guessing all of them hinge on some weirdness of 1 (unity), zero (null) or infinity.

Dale Udall 16 Feb 2021 23:35 UTC
1 point
in reply to: Mathisco’s comment on: Open & Welcome Thread – February 2021
Thank you. I’m currently playing with Excalidraw to create basic diagrams, since Venn diagrams are the best way to introduce the concepts. In fact, whenever I describe it with words, my goal is to simulate these Venns in my listeners’ minds, so I’m better off just plopping them into the post.
Now I just have to figure out the best way to include these drawings in the posts. SVG? PNG? Excalidraw native JSON? I’m lurking and reading the faqs to figure that out.
When I turn it into a blog, it might be best to have my own little wiki because of the way my content and terminology are interconnected.

Dale Udall 2 Mar 2021 0:49 UTC
6 points
on: We should not raise awareness
The meme is trying to mind control you so it can replicate.
Ever since reading the book “Virus of the Mind” (Brodie, 1996), I’ve been wary of holding any opinion I don’t fully endorse or otherwise remember why I started believing in the first place. (This hasn’t been true of my opinion about politics in general until I typed that sentence, full disclosure.) I’ve been especially wary of using someone else’s phrasing to spread really sticky ideas. I guess I’ve got a good memetic immune system?
I think we should raise awareness of the concept of a memetic immune system.

Dale Udall 18 Mar 2021 15:42 UTC
5 points
in reply to: johnswentworth’s comment on: Politics is way too meta
Great points! In one small reply, you’ve explained a lot about Trumpism and the resulting reaction:
1. The red tribe was tired of being represented by blue-tribe meta-gamers who seemingly only cared about signals and not substance, so they hired a man whose meta was about smashing the meta.
2. The blue-tribe media realized they literally couldn’t afford a President whose substance matched his meta: ignoring the meta of politics and going for the meat of policy through consensus and win-win compromises. The only way to avoid that meta winning would be to prevent consensus and win-win compromises. So ensued five years of weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth, to convince the blue tribe hoi polloi that the prophesied Republican Hitler had finally arrived.
The result was a polarization that split Washington D.C. politics into two metas which no longer map to each other in even the ways they used to. And that’s scary.

Dale Udall 22 Mar 2021 6:05 UTC
5 points
on: Dale Udall’s Shortform
Philosophizing from the beginning: what makes something real? What even is reality?
Something is real to something else if it can affect it. My desk is real to my fist because it absorbs the energy and brings my hand to a stop, also causing a noise from the air particles disturbed en masse. El-ahrairah is real to Fiver and Bigwig as a mythopoeic hero / rabbit celebrity, and Fiver and Bigwig are real to my imagination as well as to my list of well-written fictional characters.
A reality is an arena within which some things are mutually real. Our physical reality is a shared nonfictional physical reality. Our logical realities and emotional realities are often treated as if they’re consistent with a universal underlying logical reality or emotional reality too, when in fact they’re just inside our own minds.
But hearts and minds affect other hearts and minds through communication, and so they are real to each other (in large measure).

Dale Udall 23 Mar 2021 16:07 UTC
5 points
on: A Retrospective Look at the Guild of Servants: Alpha Phase
Would a module on how to overcome the deficits of autism without losing its strengths or becoming a different person be useful for the Character Sheet section of this project, or useful to Rationalist-aligned autistic people in general?

Dale Udall 30 Mar 2021 17:27 UTC
9 points
on: Rationalism before the Sequences
If nothing else, I hope this essay will leave you feeling grateful that you no longer have to do a decades-long bootstrapping process the way Eliezer and Nancy and I and others like us had to in the before times. I doubt any of us are sorry we put in the effort, but being able to shortcut a lot of it is a good thing.
Thank you for introducing us to those who built this basilica. Just in looking up General Semantics, I’ve learned more about the culture wars that preceded the ones we now fight, and I learned who a few of the generals were on both sides.

Dale Udall 4 Apr 2021 7:04 UTC
2 points
on: The Holy Algorithm
This is especially relevant in 2021, when Easter and Passover both fall on the same weekend.
I remember looking this up and thinking, “If I ever get trapped in a nonhuman universe, I’ll just celebrate it on the weekend of the first full moon of spring.”

Dale Udall 9 Apr 2021 1:36 UTC
4 points
on: Highlights from The Autobiography of Andrew Carnegie
It sounds like this is the book that inspired the setting and details of Ayn Rand’s Atlas Shrugged. Philosophy aside, it’s a dystopian novel about the science of railroads and steel and the capitalism of continent-wide industry, with a few bits of sci-fi tossed in to make her points.

Dale Udall 15 Apr 2021 13:11 UTC
9 points
in reply to: Sophronius’s comment on: The consequentialist case for social conservatism, or “Against Cultural Superstimuli”
This is the frustrating thing about the culture war. People seem to assume that the sides are clearly delineated in black and white. Just because some activist shouts that you have to call hispanics “latinx” now doesn’t mean it’s true, and trans issues are no different. The actual people who are supposedly being represented are much more diverse than you might think.
Much of the activism I hear about on the news falls into both the legibility trap and the movement trap. While allies are trying to simplify the issues to build steam for building an institution to work on creating an expert class who can manage the organizations that will obtain the workers who will provide integrated solutions to the impacted people, the impacted people are living the problem and finding their own grassroots solutions.
For Italians in early New York City, the grassroots solution to racism was the Mafia and political machines, and now Italian-Americans are now considered white by pretty much everyone in America.

Dale Udall 19 Apr 2021 20:55 UTC
1 point
in reply to: Teerth Aloke’s comment on: Problems of evil
If one or more exist, then our time is not 100 years but infinite, and our reach not limited to our arms. Worth as much ink as the heat-death of the universe or the eventual extinction of Man, which both rely on the false vacuum not popping before then.

Dale Udall 19 Apr 2021 21:48 UTC
7 points
on: Problems of evil
Much of contemporary spirituality, I think, aims at a certain type of unification or “non-duality.” It aims, that is, to erase or transcend distinctions rather than draw them; to reach the whole, rather than the part. Indeed, to the extent that an “existential” attitude aims, ultimately, to encompass as much of the “whole picture” as possible, some aspiration towards unity seems almost inevitable.
But as we raise the level of abstraction, but wish to persist in some kind of existential affirmation, we will include, and affirm, more and more of the world’s horror, too (until, indeed, we move past what the world is actually like, to what it could be like, and to horrors untold).
Here’s another riff on this theme: I performed a thought experiment once, which I return to regularly. A “three O” (omnipotent, omniscient, omni-benevolent) God would imply six opposite qualities:
- nonexistent or omni-failing/entropic
- omni-unknowing or omni-stupid
- omni-uncaring or omni-malevolent
(We’ll forego the partlys here: partly stupid, partly malevolent, etc. for simplicity.)
The God that does not exist is, by definition, also omni-unknowning and omni-uncaring. (This opposite God, in not existing, would not be capable of failing, misunderstanding, or hating.) This is the un-God of strong atheism, the zero to the Christian God’s infinities. Other religions posit other combinations, including finite partly-gods and alternative Three O’s.
By existing, a three O’s God implies the nonexistence of the no-O un-God. But the un-God would also not-exist in any universe without God, or any universe with partly-gods. The un-God is not falsifiable because there is no conceivable universe in which it does not not-exist; any existence thereof (or super-nonexistence) would be a deviation of the attributes of the un-God, which would make it no longer the un-God.
And so, any being which acts in entropic, stupid, or malevolent ways serves the un-God, which cannot act because it does not exist, but which can be imagined as an open maw, ever-devouring but never fillable. Thus “Moloch,” entropy in every aspect, the “all is vanity, and a chasing after wind” of Ecclesiastes.

Dale Udall 20 Apr 2021 16:09 UTC
2 points
in reply to: MSRayne’s comment on: Problems of evil
It actually (didn’t) show up in one of the final (and best) novels of the old Star Wars canon, Luke Skywalker and the Shadows of Mindor by Matthew Stover.
It also (doesn’t) show up in the Elder Scrolls series as Sithis, the Void.

Dale Udall 20 Apr 2021 18:09 UTC
1 point
on: Simplifying Board Games
You could simplify Machi Koro:
- just use the one-die cards requiring a roll of 1-5
- remove the first goal card which allows the second die, and the last goal card which requires 22 coins
- first step of complexity is to re-add the cards requiring a roll of 6 and the last goal card.

Dale Udall 21 Apr 2021 20:11 UTC
1 point
in reply to: Teerth Aloke’s comment on: Problems of evil
Not the existence of a God, but the actions of specific Gods.
The book of the Christian God promises eternal existence to all instead of oblivion, and a really good eternal existence to those who follow the Way of love and choose to accept that God’s offer of redemption.
The book of the Muslim God promises a similar pair of eternal destinations.
Those are just the two most famous promises of infinite lifetime tied to interpretations of the holy books of religions which focus on specific Gods. They’re extraordinary claims, and so they require extraordinary evidence, but any decently plausible promise of an infinite lifetime is worth enough investigation to falsify it.

Dale Udall 23 Apr 2021 8:23 UTC
1 point
on: Covid 4/22: Crisis in India
We now have a Philippines strain to worry about, there will be more until we solve this globally, yet there is no sense of urgency whatsoever.
The urgency went away with the restaurants, the jobs, the summer protests and the winter elections. “Two weeks to slow the curve” became “Let’s make sure the poorest people with the most vulnerable relatives still have to ride the NYC subway to work because a city survives on its underclass, and hey let’s stick COVID patients in nursing homes.” The pandemic became the one thing that’s poison to a news cycle: boring.

Dale Udall 5 Jun 2021 7:34 UTC
1 point
in reply to: RomeoStevens’s comment on: To like, or not to like?
Shakespeare was the Joss Whedon of his day: high concepts and raunchy humor executed with total dedication to the world being created, with witticisms and new phrasings that hit the zeitgeist just right.

Dale Udall 16 Jun 2021 18:13 UTC
3 points
on: Everything Okay
This is a beautifully articulated taxonomy. My first application is to addictions. At the top level, addiction “makes things okay” in a way that makes things very not okay.
Uppers can make someone feel like things are okay. This reduces stress until they wear off and the “not okay” can be seen more clearly, assuming the time spent “up” wasn’t used to actually make things okay.
Downers can make someone feel like being “not okay” is okay. This reduces stress by taking away the onus of responsibility for a time.
Psychedelics can induce states of A or B.
Codependency is an addiction to trying to make things okay, in any sense of the word. Individually, it’s a pathology. En masse, it’s a driving force behind politics.