I don’t think most people can. If you don’t like the connotations of existing terms, I think you need to come up with new terms and they can’t be too verbose or people won’t use them.
I suspect that if they can’t ground it out to the word underneath, then there should be … some sort of way to make that concrete as a prediction that their model is drastically more fragile than their words make it sound. If you cannot translate your thinking into math fluently, then your thinking is probably not high enough quality yet, or so? And certainly I propose this test expecting myself to fail it plenty often enough.
Also, have you tried having a moderated conversation with someone who disagrees with you? Sometimes that can help resolve communication barriers.
@TurnTrout: I’d really, really like to see you have a discussion with someone with a similar level of education about deep learning who disagrees with you about the object level claims. If possible, I’d like it to be Bengio. I think the two of you discussing the mechanics of the problem at hand would yield extremely interesting insights. I expect the best format for it would be a series of emails back and forth, a lesswrong dialogue, or some other compatible asynchronous messaging format without outside observers until the discussion has progressed to a point where both participants feel it is ready to share. Potentially moderation could help, I expect it to be unnecessary.
I’m not saying that people can’t ground it out. I’m saying that if you try to think or communicate using really verbose terms it’ll reduce your available working memory which will limit your ability to think new thoughts.
I suspect that if they can’t ground it out to the word underneath, then there should be … some sort of way to make that concrete as a prediction that their model is drastically more fragile than their words make it sound. If you cannot translate your thinking into math fluently, then your thinking is probably not high enough quality yet, or so? And certainly I propose this test expecting myself to fail it plenty often enough.
@TurnTrout: I’d really, really like to see you have a discussion with someone with a similar level of education about deep learning who disagrees with you about the object level claims. If possible, I’d like it to be Bengio. I think the two of you discussing the mechanics of the problem at hand would yield extremely interesting insights. I expect the best format for it would be a series of emails back and forth, a lesswrong dialogue, or some other compatible asynchronous messaging format without outside observers until the discussion has progressed to a point where both participants feel it is ready to share. Potentially moderation could help, I expect it to be unnecessary.
I’m not saying that people can’t ground it out. I’m saying that if you try to think or communicate using really verbose terms it’ll reduce your available working memory which will limit your ability to think new thoughts.