I think this for pretty basic Auman’s agreement theorem reasons. While their methodology may be super wrong, so may be the methodology of LessWrongers.
I don’t know exactly, but I’d give it at least 10% odds even if it remained implausible sounding. I endorse utilitarianism, but peer disagreement dramatically reduces my confidence in it.
This was just a reference to Two Dogmas of Empiricism—one clearly need not be dogmatic to be an anti-realist—though I think there are lots of dogmatic anti-realists; as is no doubt also true of realism.
I understand if it’s a reference to Quine, but a title like that is still provocative and carries rhetorical weight. I see little reason in giving the impression that people are being “dogmatic” about something, and even less if you don’t actually think that. I’m also not sure how many readers are going to pick up on the reference, either (it wouldn’t surprise me if they did, I’m not sure one way or the other).
Fair enough. I still think find it somewhat unappealing to use a title that implies people are being dogmatic without providing much in the way of support for the implication. I’d prefer titles be accurate rather than clever.
I agree: accurate is better than clever. (And, for the avoidance of doubt, I wasn’t meaning to argue that omnizoid’s choice of title is a good one.)
I’m not sure whether I think it’s fair to call the two things omnizoid is complaining about “dogmas of LW”. Physicalism about consciousness is certainly pretty widely and confidently accepted around here. Moral nonrealism I’m not so sure about. It doesn’t seem entirely unreasonable to suggest that these things are viewed on LW in something like the way the analytic/synthetic distinction and reductionism were viewed among empiricist philosophers when Quine wrote “Two Dogmas”.
Quine’s paper is much more interesting than omnizoid’s because (1) he makes better arguments and (2) he is arguing for a thesis more like “this stuff is subtler than everyone thinks” than like “you guys are straightforwardly wrong and one of the standard alternatives to your view is correct instead” and actually bringing some new ideas to the table, which I don’t really think omnizoid is doing.
It doesn’t seem entirely unreasonable to suggest that these things are viewed on LW in something like the way the analytic/synthetic distinction and reductionism were viewed among empiricist philosophers when Quine wrote “Two Dogmas”
That’s fair. I can grant that. Like you, I’m less sure about the general attitude towards moral realism here. I’d have thought inclinations were more towards dissolve-the-dispute than a decidedly antirealist stance. I’d be interested in finding out more about people’s metaethical views on LW.
I think this for pretty basic Auman’s agreement theorem reasons. While their methodology may be super wrong, so may be the methodology of LessWrongers.
I don’t know exactly, but I’d give it at least 10% odds even if it remained implausible sounding. I endorse utilitarianism, but peer disagreement dramatically reduces my confidence in it.
This was just a reference to Two Dogmas of Empiricism—one clearly need not be dogmatic to be an anti-realist—though I think there are lots of dogmatic anti-realists; as is no doubt also true of realism.
I understand if it’s a reference to Quine, but a title like that is still provocative and carries rhetorical weight. I see little reason in giving the impression that people are being “dogmatic” about something, and even less if you don’t actually think that. I’m also not sure how many readers are going to pick up on the reference, either (it wouldn’t surprise me if they did, I’m not sure one way or the other).
As one data point, I saw immediately what omnizoid was referencing. (But I don’t think omnizoid makes as good a case as Quine does.)
Fair enough. I still think find it somewhat unappealing to use a title that implies people are being dogmatic without providing much in the way of support for the implication. I’d prefer titles be accurate rather than clever.
I agree: accurate is better than clever. (And, for the avoidance of doubt, I wasn’t meaning to argue that omnizoid’s choice of title is a good one.)
I’m not sure whether I think it’s fair to call the two things omnizoid is complaining about “dogmas of LW”. Physicalism about consciousness is certainly pretty widely and confidently accepted around here. Moral nonrealism I’m not so sure about. It doesn’t seem entirely unreasonable to suggest that these things are viewed on LW in something like the way the analytic/synthetic distinction and reductionism were viewed among empiricist philosophers when Quine wrote “Two Dogmas”.
Quine’s paper is much more interesting than omnizoid’s because (1) he makes better arguments and (2) he is arguing for a thesis more like “this stuff is subtler than everyone thinks” than like “you guys are straightforwardly wrong and one of the standard alternatives to your view is correct instead” and actually bringing some new ideas to the table, which I don’t really think omnizoid is doing.
That’s fair. I can grant that. Like you, I’m less sure about the general attitude towards moral realism here. I’d have thought inclinations were more towards dissolve-the-dispute than a decidedly antirealist stance. I’d be interested in finding out more about people’s metaethical views on LW.