I think that counts as saving a soul. LW 1 − 0 Vatican.
You don’t think Roman Catholicism has saved any souls? I mean, you can argue it does more harm than good, mostly due to lowering the sanity waterline, but … none at all?
I’ll resort to the lazy argument: anyone nowadays who stays in the Catholic Church pays for their personal salvation by supporting an organization that shields child rapists, and is therefore thrice-damned. Of course this doesn’t apply to people who lived before the scandal broke out.
Catholicism probably did in fact save some souls, though not the way it tries to.
Living, as I do, in Ireland, I feel obliged to correct a common misconception: that priests are more likely to be pedophiles has been general knowledge since long before this recent wave of scandals. The same is true of boy scout leaders, primary school teachers and so on, of course; you can find jokes floating around from that period, on this topic, that can have various roles swapped in . But if you went to anyone about abuse, then you were told to shut your lying mouth. This was due, basically, to the low status of children and high status of the accuser; Catholic priests had abnormally inflated status at the time the abuse that is now coming to light. Of course, this high status was due to … the low sanity waterline! As embodied by the frankly insane culture of the time.
Hmm, I didn’t expect that rant to come around to my original comment. *shrugs*
Not claiming either you are or aren’t ware of all this, of course. Just addressing the most common view I encounter, which is both wrong and compatible with your statement. Doing my bit for the sanity waterline :)
You don’t think Roman Catholicism has saved any souls? I mean, you can argue it does more harm than good, mostly due to lowering the sanity waterline, but … none at all?
I’ll resort to the lazy argument: anyone nowadays who stays in the Catholic Church pays for their personal salvation by supporting an organization that shields child rapists, and is therefore thrice-damned. Of course this doesn’t apply to people who lived before the scandal broke out.
Catholicism probably did in fact save some souls, though not the way it tries to.
Excellent comment. However …
Living, as I do, in Ireland, I feel obliged to correct a common misconception: that priests are more likely to be pedophiles has been general knowledge since long before this recent wave of scandals. The same is true of boy scout leaders, primary school teachers and so on, of course; you can find jokes floating around from that period, on this topic, that can have various roles swapped in . But if you went to anyone about abuse, then you were told to shut your lying mouth. This was due, basically, to the low status of children and high status of the accuser; Catholic priests had abnormally inflated status at the time the abuse that is now coming to light. Of course, this high status was due to … the low sanity waterline! As embodied by the frankly insane culture of the time.
Hmm, I didn’t expect that rant to come around to my original comment. *shrugs*
Not claiming either you are or aren’t ware of all this, of course. Just addressing the most common view I encounter, which is both wrong and compatible with your statement. Doing my bit for the sanity waterline :)