healthy environment, the operate on the first level of simulacra, talk and think about what people did, actually, in the world, not about what people feel. feelings belong to the third level.
saying John was wrong, and actually didn’t did disproportional amount on the work invite factual discussion. talking about who feel what invite… i dunno, some weird l3 shenanigans, in which what someone feel is relevant argument, EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG.
in some black-box, looking on algorithmic intent sense, the reason to talk about what they feel they dud, and not what they did, is to obscure the difference, to give the feelings power, place in the discussion as legitimate argument, even when the feeling is wrong, and if it counts, it should count against the person.
the sentence “It is likely that they felt they did more useful work than John felt they did.” is the sort of sentence that that jump to me as dangerous in that way, as talking about the feelings, on them and John, instead of what actually happened.
this remind me anecdote i read in the comments in certain blog. , both romantic partners believe that they do most of the housework, but then they decide to check, and it turned out one of them right and one of them wrong, one person was doing 75% of the work, and the other 25%. both of them was feeling they did most of the work. the one who did 25% of the work felt they did most of the work. so what?
then they decide to check, and it turned out one of them right and one of them wrong, one person was doing 75% of the work, and the other 25%
I am skeptical of this measurement. Your wording suggests that they were able to determine this with 2 digits of precision. I doubt that. Maybe you meant “one person was doing 3⁄4 and the other 1/4”, which sounds much more plausible and implies a much rougher, vaguer measurement.
As far as I remember (I did not re-read the OP), John provides no evidence that he did all or most of the work. We have only his word for it.
The problem of calculating workload is inherently highly nebulous and partially subjective, because a task can be more painful and/or time-consuming for one person than for another. In general it is not possible to measure workload precisely, not even in principle.
I wasn’t suggesting this at all. i consider 1⁄4 equivalent to 75% (and dislike to use the / character because it move when I change languages, and this is annoying). i find this claim weird—i use percentage all the time and people generally understand that 75% means quarter.
this is the sort of discussion that we should have! he did provide some evidence, though little. i once had classwork that should done in pair, that i get 90 ad grade and my teammate get 60 (i think? some numerical equivalent of F). and i was reigned with him freeloading, i just dislike all this school teamwork things. but the teacher noticed that i’m the only one who did work. so it’s my experience it’s not hard to notice who do what part of the work.
true, but irrelevant. when someone saying they did all or almost all precision is irrelevant. you don’t get the difference between 90% and 50% by being imprecise.
somewhere in the comments, about how he talked about it with the professor. it’s not STRONG evidence, if you say you are not convinced I will not say it unreasonable. the next step would have been to decide what are the right kind of evidence, and then ask for them.
Sure. My point was that maybe John felt like he did more than he really did.
and yet again, you say “felt”. what I’m trying to do is to point at that.
Say more words?
healthy environment, the operate on the first level of simulacra, talk and think about what people did, actually, in the world, not about what people feel. feelings belong to the third level.
saying John was wrong, and actually didn’t did disproportional amount on the work invite factual discussion. talking about who feel what invite… i dunno, some weird l3 shenanigans, in which what someone feel is relevant argument, EVEN IF THEY ARE WRONG.
in some black-box, looking on algorithmic intent sense, the reason to talk about what they feel they dud, and not what they did, is to obscure the difference, to give the feelings power, place in the discussion as legitimate argument, even when the feeling is wrong, and if it counts, it should count against the person.
the sentence “It is likely that they felt they did more useful work than John felt they did.” is the sort of sentence that that jump to me as dangerous in that way, as talking about the feelings, on them and John, instead of what actually happened.
this remind me anecdote i read in the comments in certain blog. , both romantic partners believe that they do most of the housework, but then they decide to check, and it turned out one of them right and one of them wrong, one person was doing 75% of the work, and the other 25%. both of them was feeling they did most of the work. the one who did 25% of the work felt they did most of the work. so what?
I am skeptical of this measurement. Your wording suggests that they were able to determine this with 2 digits of precision. I doubt that. Maybe you meant “one person was doing 3⁄4 and the other 1/4”, which sounds much more plausible and implies a much rougher, vaguer measurement.
As far as I remember (I did not re-read the OP), John provides no evidence that he did all or most of the work. We have only his word for it.
The problem of calculating workload is inherently highly nebulous and partially subjective, because a task can be more painful and/or time-consuming for one person than for another. In general it is not possible to measure workload precisely, not even in principle.
I wasn’t suggesting this at all. i consider 1⁄4 equivalent to 75% (and dislike to use the / character because it move when I change languages, and this is annoying). i find this claim weird—i use percentage all the time and people generally understand that 75% means quarter.
this is the sort of discussion that we should have! he did provide some evidence, though little.
i once had classwork that should done in pair, that i get 90 ad grade and my teammate get 60 (i think? some numerical equivalent of F). and i was reigned with him freeloading, i just dislike all this school teamwork things. but the teacher noticed that i’m the only one who did work. so it’s my experience it’s not hard to notice who do what part of the work.
true, but irrelevant. when someone saying they did all or almost all precision is irrelevant. you don’t get the difference between 90% and 50% by being imprecise.
Can you please point out the relevant part?
somewhere in the comments, about how he talked about it with the professor. it’s not STRONG evidence, if you say you are not convinced I will not say it unreasonable. the next step would have been to decide what are the right kind of evidence, and then ask for them.
Sorry, I am not going to read through the comments to look for it.
Yeah, legit, i avoided do it second time myself :-)