I don’t think that koan is drawing the same distinction that I was drawing (and therefore suspect you may have misinterpreted me). I was contrasting a scenario where you feel emotions (inside the sandbox) that are shaped by the empathy-subject’s desires and principles, and then feel different emotions (outside the sandbox) shaped by your own desires and principles.
I agree in a technical sense that all the emotions you feel are coming from you (including the ones inside the sandbox), although I also think that emotions are usually a response to your circumstances (and the relation between you and those circumstances) and that they can be appropriate or inappropriate responses to those circumstances. I think it (usually) doesn’t make sense to try to understand emotions by considering only the person and ignoring their circumstances. Thus, the koan seems wrong-headed to me.
(The koan’s analysis of its own scenario also seems very shallow—the fact that no one is inside the boat does not mean that no one is at fault! Why wasn’t the boat properly secured to the dock? This doesn’t particularly matter if the koan is just trying to point to a concept so that you know what the speaker is even referring to, but it’s a weakness if the koan is trying to be persuasive.)
I was simply trying to decorate a compliment, so I suppose I will stop doing that 🤔 (EDIT: from a later vantage point, I think I now see it’s better to say “sorry for adding a distraction” rather than passively projecting blame.)
(I for one quite enjoyed the koan, even if it is not drawing quite the same distinction that dweomite was drawing. That is ok. And hey, it triggered further clarification from dweomite, which is a fine outcome.)
I don’t think that koan is drawing the same distinction that I was drawing (and therefore suspect you may have misinterpreted me). I was contrasting a scenario where you feel emotions (inside the sandbox) that are shaped by the empathy-subject’s desires and principles, and then feel different emotions (outside the sandbox) shaped by your own desires and principles.
I agree in a technical sense that all the emotions you feel are coming from you (including the ones inside the sandbox), although I also think that emotions are usually a response to your circumstances (and the relation between you and those circumstances) and that they can be appropriate or inappropriate responses to those circumstances. I think it (usually) doesn’t make sense to try to understand emotions by considering only the person and ignoring their circumstances. Thus, the koan seems wrong-headed to me.
(The koan’s analysis of its own scenario also seems very shallow—the fact that no one is inside the boat does not mean that no one is at fault! Why wasn’t the boat properly secured to the dock? This doesn’t particularly matter if the koan is just trying to point to a concept so that you know what the speaker is even referring to, but it’s a weakness if the koan is trying to be persuasive.)
I was simply trying to decorate a compliment, so I suppose I will stop doing that 🤔 (EDIT: from a later vantage point, I think I now see it’s better to say “sorry for adding a distraction” rather than passively projecting blame.)
(I for one quite enjoyed the koan, even if it is not drawing quite the same distinction that dweomite was drawing. That is ok. And hey, it triggered further clarification from dweomite, which is a fine outcome.)