Anna reports that Habryka claims that the slapfight on “Zetetic Explanation” is a good chunk of why you don’t use the website anymore. Is that true?
People, come on, what kind of multi-step game of telephone is going on here. The thing that I said to Anna, in a spoken and largely assumed to be private conversation, which was 4 hours long with a general vibe of her trying to understand my models of LessWrong moderation (and vice-versa) without much of an advocacy component, was, as far as I remember, something vaguely like “I know that Benquo got in a bunch of fights with Said, and my guess is Said played a non-trivial role in him leaving, and clearly if I had to choose between Said and Benquo on the site, I would choose Benquo”.
I think I still stand behind that![1] It was a pretty big deal at the time, and that conflict together with the Duncan conflict seemed like roughly the thing that caused you to leave.
On the rest: I agree with 1) and 3) of your concerns, and have commented at least on the latter extensively. I don’t… really know what this has to do with banning people who are otherwise causing problems on the site since though, I don’t really think those are things that could be somehow solved with banning (like, sure, it’s plausible to me they invalidate a bunch of the premises of the community, and are important to address, but even if your government is engaging in unjustified wars, that doesn’t mean you don’t want normal everyday police doing normal police things).
TurnTrout is not a co-author of the SolidGoldMagikarp post. Maybe he collaborated with it, but at least it doesn’t say anywhere that I can easily find that he was involved with writing it.
But even if I didn’t, I didn’t make any statement with great confidence and I would summarize similar epistemic states the same way in the future again.
People, come on, what kind of multi-step game of telephone is going on here. The thing that I said to Anna, in a spoken and largely assumed to be private conversation, which was 4 hours long with a general vibe of her trying to understand my models of LessWrong moderation (and vice-versa) without much of an advocacy component, was, as far as I remember, something vaguely like “I know that Benquo got in a bunch of fights with Said, and my guess is Said played a non-trivial role in him leaving, and clearly if I had to choose between Said and Benquo on the site, I would choose Benquo”.
I think I still stand behind that![1] It was a pretty big deal at the time, and that conflict together with the Duncan conflict seemed like roughly the thing that caused you to leave.
On the rest: I agree with 1) and 3) of your concerns, and have commented at least on the latter extensively. I don’t… really know what this has to do with banning people who are otherwise causing problems on the site since though, I don’t really think those are things that could be somehow solved with banning (like, sure, it’s plausible to me they invalidate a bunch of the premises of the community, and are important to address, but even if your government is engaging in unjustified wars, that doesn’t mean you don’t want normal everyday police doing normal police things).
Unrelatedly:
TurnTrout is not a co-author of the SolidGoldMagikarp post. Maybe he collaborated with it, but at least it doesn’t say anywhere that I can easily find that he was involved with writing it.
But even if I didn’t, I didn’t make any statement with great confidence and I would summarize similar epistemic states the same way in the future again.
Thanks for closing the loop on the game of telephone. Oops, not sure how I misremembered about TurnTrout. Will delete that bit.