This is pretty cool. I think I may have just messed up our data on the Sacredness study, though. Rot13′d for potentially biasing other people’s answers: VVEP, gur pbfg bs fnivat n uhzna yvsr guebhtu bcgvzny cuvynaguebcl vf yrff guna gra gubhfnaq qbyynef, naq abar bs gur guvatf V jnf orvat nfxrq gb qb jrer jbegu abg fnivat n uhzna yvsr. Fb V arire tnir n ahzore terngre guna gra gubhfnaq qbyynef.
It you interpret that restriction broadly enough there’s no reason to accept any of the offers, since many (most?) things that you can do with money have some positive effect.
I had similar problems with the whole setup. Given A) you have no repercussions for your actions and B) the money can’t make up for the action, the setup seemed to have nothing whatsoever to do with the real world. Example:
How much would it take for me to listen to loud music for 24 hours? Realistically, it would throw off my sleep schedule, so I’d need to take enough money to offset the impact on my work performance, and make up for the extra day off. But I’m supposed to think that the choice wouldn’t impact my sleep schedule or work performance, and furthermore I can’t use the money to make up for any time lost. So I’m left without any standard for comparison.
Really? A bunch of those would yvzvg zl rneavatf pncnpvgl. And frcnengvba sebz zl vzzrqvngr naq rkgraqrq snzvyl? That would be really hard. I definitely think we should be trying to rnea nf zhpu nf jr pna fb jr pna tvir vg njnl bcgvznyyl, but I have limits.
(I don’t actually think this unrot13ed would be biasing people’s answers: it’s trying to measure morality, and people should be taking cbfvgvir hfrf bs zbarl into account. I’ll leave it encoded at least until I read your response, though.)
Better than my screwup on the same section: V qvqa’g haqrefgnaq gung V jnf fhccbfrq gb fcrpvsl gur zvavzny nzbhag V’q npprcg, fb V npprcgrq n zvyyvba qbyynef sbe rnpu gnfx va gur anzr bs bcgvzny cuvynaguebcl.
V zrna, n fcvar zbq? Gung pna rnfvyl or hfrq gb napube n sheel gnvy? Be gur cresbeznapr neg? Guebjvat n gbzngb ng cbyvgvpvnaf? Serr bar zbagu zrqvgngvba ergerng (nxn fbyvgnel pbasvarzrag)? Fvta zr hc sbe nyy bs gurfr!
Jbefg pnfr, V pbhyq qbphzrag naq juber gurz bhg sbe Erqqvg xnezn. (“V fubg gur ynfg cnaqn. NZN.”)
That’s the direction that my choices were biasing the group score in. It could be a trend common to the whole group though. I wonder if that’s because we:
n) Inyhr zbarl zber uvtuyl, sbe cuvynaguebcl ernfbaf, be jrnygu, be bgurejvfr o) Ner yrff fubpxrq/qvfthfgrq ol onq guvatf, be p) Pner fb yvggyr nobhg vatebhc/yblnygl gung vg qentf gur nirentr qbja
V nfxrq orpnhfr V unq guvf srryvat gung creuncf bar bs gur dhrfgvbaf jnf jbefr guna vg ernyyl frrzrq be gung YJ’f ner ovnfrq gb guvax vg jnf. V jnagrq gb xabj vs guvf jnf fb naq creuncf trg na vqrn bs juvpu bar vg zvtug unir orra.
This is pretty cool. I think I may have just messed up our data on the Sacredness study, though. Rot13′d for potentially biasing other people’s answers: VVEP, gur pbfg bs fnivat n uhzna yvsr guebhtu bcgvzny cuvynaguebcl vf yrff guna gra gubhfnaq qbyynef, naq abar bs gur guvatf V jnf orvat nfxrq gb qb jrer jbegu abg fnivat n uhzna yvsr. Fb V arire tnir n ahzore terngre guna gra gubhfnaq qbyynef.
Lbh’er abg nyybjrq gb znxr hc sbe lbhe npgvbaf; V nffhzrq gung nyfb zrnag vaqverpgyl ivn qbangvat gb fbzr punevgl.
It you interpret that restriction broadly enough there’s no reason to accept any of the offers, since many (most?) things that you can do with money have some positive effect.
I had similar problems with the whole setup. Given A) you have no repercussions for your actions and B) the money can’t make up for the action, the setup seemed to have nothing whatsoever to do with the real world. Example:
How much would it take for me to listen to loud music for 24 hours? Realistically, it would throw off my sleep schedule, so I’d need to take enough money to offset the impact on my work performance, and make up for the extra day off. But I’m supposed to think that the choice wouldn’t impact my sleep schedule or work performance, and furthermore I can’t use the money to make up for any time lost. So I’m left without any standard for comparison.
I think by “no bad consequences” it just meant you won’t get in trouble. You still have to put up with any physical or psychological damage.
I assumed they meant you can’t spend it on anything but yourself.
Really? A bunch of those would yvzvg zl rneavatf pncnpvgl. And frcnengvba sebz zl vzzrqvngr naq rkgraqrq snzvyl? That would be really hard. I definitely think we should be trying to rnea nf zhpu nf jr pna fb jr pna tvir vg njnl bcgvznyyl, but I have limits.
(I don’t actually think this unrot13ed would be biasing people’s answers: it’s trying to measure morality, and people should be taking cbfvgvir hfrf bs zbarl into account. I’ll leave it encoded at least until I read your response, though.)
Good points! Looks like the differences are due in part to different circumstances.
V’z harzcyblrq, fb V qba’g unir gung pbafvqrengvba.
V’z nobhg gb tb gb pbyyrtr, fb gb n pregnva rkgrag V’z nyernql snpvat gung naq ybbxvat sbejneq gb vg.
Better than my screwup on the same section: V qvqa’g haqrefgnaq gung V jnf fhccbfrq gb fcrpvsl gur zvavzny nzbhag V’q npprcg, fb V npprcgrq n zvyyvba qbyynef sbe rnpu gnfx va gur anzr bs bcgvzny cuvynaguebcl.
Qba’g jbeel gbb zhpu, yrffjebatvnaf fgvyy fpber jnl orybj nirentr va gur nzbhagf gurl erdhrfg.
Abg whfg “orybj nirentr”—uryy, V’q cnl sbe frireny bs gurfr bcgvbaf! Gurfr fpnyrf unir gur jebat fvta!
V zrna, n fcvar zbq? Gung pna rnfvyl or hfrq gb napube n sheel gnvy? Be gur cresbeznapr neg? Guebjvat n gbzngb ng cbyvgvpvnaf? Serr bar zbagu zrqvgngvba ergerng (nxn fbyvgnel pbasvarzrag)? Fvta zr hc sbe nyy bs gurfr!
Jbefg pnfr, V pbhyq qbphzrag naq juber gurz bhg sbe Erqqvg xnezn. (“V fubg gur ynfg cnaqn. NZN.”)
That’s the direction that my choices were biasing the group score in. It could be a trend common to the whole group though. I wonder if that’s because we: n) Inyhr zbarl zber uvtuyl, sbe cuvynaguebcl ernfbaf, be jrnygu, be bgurejvfr
o) Ner yrff fubpxrq/qvfthfgrq ol onq guvatf, be
p) Pner fb yvggyr nobhg vatebhc/yblnygl gung vg qentf gur nirentr qbja
V’z ernyyl vagrerfgrq va jung snvearff nafjre crbcyr ba YJ zbfg bsgra pubfr nf arire sbe nal nzbhag bs zbarl. Jr nirentr gurer ng arneyl bar.
V qba’g guvax V unq nal “arire sbe ab nzbhag bs zbarl” nafjref.
Ph’nglui mglw’nafh Cthulhu R’lyeh wgah’nagl fhtagn. Gung’f bs pbhefr abg ebg13, V jbaqre ubj znal YJref jub pna’g ernq vg, obgure gb ernq fhpu “fcbvyre fnsr” guernqf. Vfa’g uvqvat fcbvyref va gntf n ybjre oneevre gb ragel naq zvtug uryc fhpu qrongrf or zber yviryl?
V qvqa’g unir nal “arire sbe ab nzbhag bs zbarl” nafjref.
Zr arvgure.
V nfxrq orpnhfr V unq guvf srryvat gung creuncf bar bs gur dhrfgvbaf jnf jbefr guna vg ernyyl frrzrq be gung YJ’f ner ovnfrq gb guvax vg jnf. V jnagrq gb xabj vs guvf jnf fb naq creuncf trg na vqrn bs juvpu bar vg zvtug unir orra.
Gur bayl “arire” nafjre V tnir jnf sbe nonaqbavat zl zbfg vzcbegnag pbzzhavgl, be ubjrire gung jnf cuenfrq. V pbafvqre gung gb or gur engvbanyvfg pbzzhavgl, naq nonaqbavat gung jbhyq unir n fhofgnagvny artngvir vzcnpg ba zl novyvgl gb npghnyyl orarsvg sebz npprcgvat nal bs gur bssref.
V pbhyq nyfb frr fbzrbar nafjrevat “arire” sbe gur cbyvgvpny bssref jura gnxvat fbzr bs gur zber rkbgvp qrpvfvba gurbevrf vagb nppbhag. Vg’f abg ragveryl pyrne gb zr gung “ab pbafrdhraprf” vapyhqrf gur rssrpgf bs cerqvpgvir qrpvfvba zbqryvat.
Nyfb, ebg13vat rirelguvat frrzf n yvggyr haarprffnel.
N zvyyvba qbyynef vf n ybg bs zbarl. Guvf ernyyl qrcraqf ba lbhe rneavat cbgragvny. Gur bcgvzny hfr bs punevgl vf hayvxryl gb punatr znffviryl qhevat gur svefg srj qnlf lbh phg pbagnpg jvgu gur engvbanyvfg pbzzhavgl.
Qbangvat fhpu n fhz gb FVNV, Nypbe be fbzrguvat yvxr Ivyyntrernpu, frrzf n cerggl znffvir pbagevohgvba. Pbafvqre lbh znl arire trg nebhaq gb npghnyyl fcraqvat guna zhpu ba rkvfgragvny evfx, svtugvat ntrvat be rssvpvrag cbbe cynprf urycvat punevgl qbar va gur pnfr lbh erwrpg gur bssre.
Something I had not considered, I need to think about this.
Yes, and as we go lower in the response tree below a rot13 post, the more the person reading is to have completed the relevant survey first.
I think your first quote is a paste-o.
Thank you for pointing that out I was quite sleepy when writing that up!
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