Okay, then we likely disagree on that. One personal example of mine was for example having a tense neck for a week. Then I did focusing on the bodily sensation, an emotion word matched and after listening to what the emotion had to say, the tense neck released.
Separately, I got some new qualia through Focusing that are useful for both perceiving my own emotions and those of other people.
you might be e.g. thinking that I’m making a claim to be able to put people solidly on the path to a 540 spinning hook kick in five minutes, when in fact I’m saying I can put people solidly on the path to a hop-step roundhouse kick in five minutes.
If we take the hop-step roundhouse kick as a metaphor I would say that there are some people who lack the bodily flexibility to make a kick that high. For them to be able to do the skill that requires loosing a bunch of fascia and maybe letting muscles grow longer. Concretely, I think that the AcroYoga basic position is likely be able to executed by 90% of the people. My legs however don’t have the flexibility and there’s nothing that can be done about that in the timespan of 5 minutes. The hop-step roundhouse kick needs that kind of flexibility, so you won’t be able to teach it to me in 5 minutes.
Attempts at teaching focusing that worked reasonably well at the LWCW weekend or our local dojo did not work the same way with the audience that comes to a normal open LessWrong meetup.
It’s similar for belief reporting. In the LWCW setting saying “Set the intention not to pick up the pen. Then pick up the pen” seems to be enough to get people to experience the distinction. At an open LessWrong meetup most people couldn’t do that and one person who could didn’t seem to be able to release the resulting uncomfort for the next ten minutes so there was also no basis for doing more for belief reporting.
Even when 90% of the general population can do that, I have the impression that the average nerd that comes to a LessWrong meetup just doesn’t have the required basics in the same way I don’t have the necessary flexibility to do the basic AcroYoga thing as a base.
When it comes to doing this in the CFAR setting, I would expect that there’s a lot that happens before you hold your 5-minute explanation of Focusing that does make it easier for the people to feel their bodies.
Maybe the thing I’m missing for the belief reporting pen intention is to do a trance induction beforehand or there’s some other thing that’s required to teach it that I didn’t get. In any case it’s qualitatively different then the example of Logan doing cup-stacking. There’s no exteremly strong teaching skill required to get most people to be able to move the cups if they are able to move both of their hands.
Okay, then we likely disagree on that. One personal example of mine was for example having a tense neck for a week. Then I did focusing on the bodily sensation, an emotion word matched and after listening to what the emotion had to say, the tense neck released.
Separately, I got some new qualia through Focusing that are useful for both perceiving my own emotions and those of other people.
If we take the hop-step roundhouse kick as a metaphor I would say that there are some people who lack the bodily flexibility to make a kick that high. For them to be able to do the skill that requires loosing a bunch of fascia and maybe letting muscles grow longer. Concretely, I think that the AcroYoga basic position is likely be able to executed by 90% of the people. My legs however don’t have the flexibility and there’s nothing that can be done about that in the timespan of 5 minutes. The hop-step roundhouse kick needs that kind of flexibility, so you won’t be able to teach it to me in 5 minutes.
Attempts at teaching focusing that worked reasonably well at the LWCW weekend or our local dojo did not work the same way with the audience that comes to a normal open LessWrong meetup.
It’s similar for belief reporting. In the LWCW setting saying “Set the intention not to pick up the pen. Then pick up the pen” seems to be enough to get people to experience the distinction. At an open LessWrong meetup most people couldn’t do that and one person who could didn’t seem to be able to release the resulting uncomfort for the next ten minutes so there was also no basis for doing more for belief reporting.
Even when 90% of the general population can do that, I have the impression that the average nerd that comes to a LessWrong meetup just doesn’t have the required basics in the same way I don’t have the necessary flexibility to do the basic AcroYoga thing as a base.
When it comes to doing this in the CFAR setting, I would expect that there’s a lot that happens before you hold your 5-minute explanation of Focusing that does make it easier for the people to feel their bodies.
Maybe the thing I’m missing for the belief reporting pen intention is to do a trance induction beforehand or there’s some other thing that’s required to teach it that I didn’t get. In any case it’s qualitatively different then the example of Logan doing cup-stacking. There’s no exteremly strong teaching skill required to get most people to be able to move the cups if they are able to move both of their hands.