Playing a move to weaken a group by taking away it’s liberties is something that doesn’t happens unconsciously.
Trying to play move that have a side effect of weakening the weakest group of the enemy is a lot of what the middle game is about.
Then the opponent is either forced to add an additional stone to the group to defend it or you can attack that group later when it becomes to weak.
Reading 10 moves into the future is also something that happens frequently in go.
I’m not talking about taking away liberties. I was thinking of a specific recent example in which I had more liberties throughout a long fight, but in the end my liberties weren’t usable because the group grew out to the edge of the board in such a way that his liberties were still playable, while mine would lead to being captured.
My dad has severe short-term memory loss, and usually can’t remember which color he’s playing. So I don’t think he’s reading that many moves ahead. Also—reading 10 moves ahead? Really? Are you talking about ladders or other sequences of moves that each have only 1 good response? If people could read 10 moves ahead in wide-open situations, why would they need to study joseki?
If he has short-term memory loss it’s of course also possible that such a move is intuitive.
When I say here liberties than I mean the amount of moves that it requires to capture a group.
In a fight it’s useful to have that number in mind.
If you have a fight between two groups than the situation isn’t really wide open like a Joseki.
Reading 10 moves ahead doesn’t mean that you see every possible variation but one variation that includes reasonable moves from both players.
You don’t want to spent time reading out the variance tree of a Joseki every time you play it from scratch. It’s also not always straight forward to know what result is better.
If it possible to start an invasion in the corner? To judge whether it’s possible to invade a corner you might well have to read 20 moves deep.
How much points is the influence really worth?
Bad Joseki moves often only make you lose a single point.
Lastly learning Josekis is a way to learn how stones flow in the beginning of the game. You need a bit of a feeling of how a game flows to be able to read far ahead.
Playing a move to weaken a group by taking away it’s liberties is something that doesn’t happens unconsciously. Trying to play move that have a side effect of weakening the weakest group of the enemy is a lot of what the middle game is about. Then the opponent is either forced to add an additional stone to the group to defend it or you can attack that group later when it becomes to weak.
Reading 10 moves into the future is also something that happens frequently in go.
I’m not talking about taking away liberties. I was thinking of a specific recent example in which I had more liberties throughout a long fight, but in the end my liberties weren’t usable because the group grew out to the edge of the board in such a way that his liberties were still playable, while mine would lead to being captured.
My dad has severe short-term memory loss, and usually can’t remember which color he’s playing. So I don’t think he’s reading that many moves ahead. Also—reading 10 moves ahead? Really? Are you talking about ladders or other sequences of moves that each have only 1 good response? If people could read 10 moves ahead in wide-open situations, why would they need to study joseki?
If he has short-term memory loss it’s of course also possible that such a move is intuitive.
When I say here liberties than I mean the amount of moves that it requires to capture a group. In a fight it’s useful to have that number in mind. If you have a fight between two groups than the situation isn’t really wide open like a Joseki.
Reading 10 moves ahead doesn’t mean that you see every possible variation but one variation that includes reasonable moves from both players.
You don’t want to spent time reading out the variance tree of a Joseki every time you play it from scratch. It’s also not always straight forward to know what result is better. If it possible to start an invasion in the corner? To judge whether it’s possible to invade a corner you might well have to read 20 moves deep. How much points is the influence really worth? Bad Joseki moves often only make you lose a single point.
Lastly learning Josekis is a way to learn how stones flow in the beginning of the game. You need a bit of a feeling of how a game flows to be able to read far ahead.