Need help with an MLP fanfiction with a transhumanist theme.

EDIT: I am now tak­ing ar­gu­ments for al­i­cor­nism. Ali­cor­nism be­ing the place­holder term I’ve given to the stance that all ponies should be al­i­corns. Please PM me or post here if you have a good one, or an ar­gu­ment against one of anti-al­i­cor­nism’s strongest points: Over­pop­u­la­tion/​over-use of re­sources, mag­i­cal abuse/​ex­is­ten­tial risk, or up­heaval of the re­spect ponies have for their rulers due to their al­i­corn sta­tus. I would pre­fer gen­eral ar­gu­ments for al­i­cor­nism over counter-ar­gu­ments if pos­si­ble. Death­ist /​ anti-al­i­cor­nist ar­gu­ments are still fine to post here.

Dis­claimer: I’m not sure if this is wor­thy of a dis­cus­sion post, but I figured, given the amount of peo­ple on LW who like My Lit­tle Pony, it would have at least as many po­ten­tially in­ter­ested peo­ple as a re­gional meet-up thread would, so I figured I’d give it a shot. If this is too triv­ial or frivolous for LW, feel free to tell me and/​or down­vote, and I’ll re­frain from such threads in fu­ture. A place where I could go to find some help in­stead of the Dis­cus­sion sec­tion would also be greatly ap­pre­ci­ated in such a case.

So I had an idea for a one-shot or small nov­ella, de­pend­ing on how the plot de­vel­oped, about an ar­gu­ment be­tween Twilight and Ce­les­tia. Twilight finds out she’s im­mor­tal now that she’s an al­i­corn, and Twilight then de­cides that, given the stan­dard anti-death con­cepts that im­mor­tal­ity is good, death is bad, and so on, they should turn ev­ery­one who wants to be an al­i­corn into one.

The prob­lem is, I’m hav­ing a very difficult time com­ing up with ac­tual ar­gu­ments for Ce­les­tia.

- Ce­les­tia her­self is im­mor­tal, she’s lived for well over a thou­sand years, and she isn’t hor­rifi­cally de­pressed, so clearly, im­mor­tal life is worth liv­ing and there’s enough stuff to do with an ex­tended lifes­pan.

- For the pur­poses of this fic, it’s pos­si­ble to turn any­pony into an al­i­corn. I’m likely go­ing to go with the idea that the spell can only be used a few times a year, but that’s still enough to turn any­one who wants it into an al­i­corn within a cou­ple of decades via ex­po­nen­ti­a­tion: The first tar­gets can all be gifted uni­corns who can be eas­ily trained to use the magic.

- In most of the “Im­mor­tal­ity sucks” fics I’ve read, the only real ar­gu­ment that im­mor­tal­ity sucks is that you have to watch ev­ery­one else grow up and die. If a large ma­jor­ity of the pop­u­la­tion were turned al­i­corn, this wouldn’t be a prob­lem any­more.

- Noth­ing in canon sug­gests that there’s any sort of re­li­gion in Eques­tria. Even in fan­fics I’ve read, I’ve only read one fan­fic where some­one made up an af­ter­life that some ponies be­lieved in, and in many more that I’ve read, Ce­les­tia’s name is ac­tu­ally used in place of God in var­i­ous sen­tences, like “Oh for Ce­les­tia’s sake!” Thus, it’s un­likely they’d be­lieve in an af­ter­life: Both in canon and the ma­jor­ity of fanon, the clos­est thing to a God ap­pears to be Ce­les­tia her­self.

I’ve come up with ar­gu­ments for Ce­les­tia by role­play­ing the ar­gu­ment out by my­self, but I haven’t come up with any­thing that Twilight can’t just shoot down, and I’d pre­fer if the ar­gu­ment wasn’t just Ce­les­tia get­ting steam­rol­led, and I’d like to do this by strength­en­ing Ce­les­tia’s side, not weak­en­ing Twilight’s.

Is the ar­gu­ment for death­ism re­ally that weak? I’ve read over the Harry vs. Dum­ble­dore death­ism ar­gu­ment in HPMOR sev­eral times look­ing for ideas, and IIRC Eliezer ac­tu­ally claimed he steel-manned Dum­ble­dore’s po­si­tion, but I don’t find any­thing Dum­ble­dore says con­vinc­ing in the slight­est, and ended that chap­ter feel­ing that Harry was the clear win­ner in that de­bate, and that’s with Dum­ble­dore hav­ing ac­cess to ar­gu­ments that Ce­les­tia doesn’t, given that in the Pot­ter­verse, no­body ac­tu­ally knows what it’s like to be im­mor­tal, and Dum­ble­dore be­lieves in an af­ter­life.

Some other ar­gu­ments I’ve come up with for Ce­les­tia:

Ar­gu­ment: We can’t just have a mas­sive rul­ing class.

Re­sponse: There’s no need for al­i­corns to be roy­alty. “Princess = Ali­corn, Ali­corn = Princess” is only some­thing that law and tra­di­tion dic­tate: They can be changed. After all, Blue­blood is a prince and not an al­i­corn, and it’s cer­tainly pos­si­ble for an al­i­corn to NOT be roy­alty, if the princesses wanted.

Ar­gu­ment: Harder to keep the pop­u­lace in line, if ev­ery­one has more power.

Re­sponse: Ce­les­tia’s not ex­actly go­ing around fight­ing crim­i­nals her­self with her al­i­corn pow­ers, so Ce­les­tia be­ing much more pow­er­ful than oth­ers isn’t nec­es­sary to keep the peace. If any­thing, an al­i­cornified pop­u­lace is MORE likely to be able to gov­ern it­self: Atm, a pe­ga­sus crim­i­nal can only be pur­sued effec­tively by about one-third of po­lice officers, for ex­am­ple.

Ar­gu­ment: Over­pop­u­la­tion.

Re­sponse: One re­sponse to this is the idea that, start­ing a year or so from a royal edict, ponies who wish to be changed into al­i­corns aren’t per­mit­ted to give birth more than once or twice. A broader re­sponse is that “over­pop­u­la­tion” isn’t ac­tu­ally a rea­son to op­pose al­i­cornifi­ca­tion, it’s just a prob­lem that has to be solved in or­der to do it. Say­ing “There’d be over­pop­u­la­tion” and then for­get­ting about the en­tire idea would be like Twilight say­ing that they didn’t know how she was sup­posed to save the Crys­tal Em­pire from be­ing ban­ished again when she got given the task, and re­spond­ing to this by say­ing “Oh well, guess that’s it, we may as well pack up and go home.” rather than try­ing to ac­tu­ally solve the prob­lem. That said, this is the only truly le­gi­t­i­mate ar­gu­ment I’ve come up with, an ar­gu­ment that re­quires real thought to fully defeat, rather than an ar­gu­ment that has an easy re­sponse leap to my mind.

Ar­gu­ment: Mor­tals wouldn’t un­der­stand the con­se­quence of their de­ci­sion.

Re­sponse: Again, sev­eral ar­gu­ments for this. Firstly, there’s no rea­son to be­lieve the al­i­corn trans­for­ma­tion is ir­re­versible, even if it’s not cur­rently known how to trans­form it back. Se­condly, Ce­les­tia can already pre­dict the con­se­quences, and since she thinks HER life is worth liv­ing, clearly there’s a solid chance that other ponies will have their lives worth liv­ing as well.

So, the ques­tions to ask:

Are there good ar­gu­ments for Ce­les­tia I haven’t thought of?

Are the ar­gu­ments I’ve already posited suffi­cient to not straw-man the lifeism po­si­tion, and to al­low for a rea­son­able ar­gu­ment?

EDIT: I am now tak­ing ar­gu­ments for al­i­cor­nism. Ali­cor­nism be­ing the place­holder term I’ve given to the stance that all ponies should be al­i­corns. Please PM me or post here if you have a good one, or an ar­gu­ment against one of anti-al­i­cor­nism’s strongest points: Over­pop­u­la­tion/​over-use of re­sources, mag­i­cal abuse/​ex­is­ten­tial risk, or up­heaval of the re­spect ponies have for their rulers due to their al­i­corn sta­tus. I would pre­fer gen­eral ar­gu­ments for al­i­cor­nism over counter-ar­gu­ments if pos­si­ble. Death­ist /​ anti-al­i­cor­nist ar­gu­ments are still fine to post here.