This didn’t feel like it did anything to sell me on “sign language is a uniquely good thing for rationalists to prioritize learning.” (This is similar to Yoav and Jiro’s comments, but, theirs felt a bit more generic). Why is this a good rationalist-shibboleth-in-particular, as opposed to a generally neat thing (and sometime having shared neat things is neat?)
It’s entirely just a neat thing. I think most people should consider learning to sign, and the idea of it becoming a rationalist “thing” just sounded fun to me. I did try to make that clear, but apologies if it wasn’t. And as I said, sorry this is kind of off topic, it’s just been a thing bouncing around in my head.
One thing I’ve read somewhere is that people who sign but aren’t deaf, tend to use sign language in parallel with spoken language. That’s an entire parallel communications channel!
Relatedly, rationalists lean quite heavily towards explicit ask/tell culture. This is sometimes great, but often clunky: “are you asking for advice? I might have some helpful comments but I’m not sure if you actually want peoples’ opinions, or if you just wanted to vent.”
Combining these two things, I see possible norms evolving where spoken language is used for communicating complex thoughts, and signing is used for coordination, cohesion, making group decisions (which is often done implicitly in other communities). I think there’s a lot of potential upside here.
This didn’t feel like it did anything to sell me on “sign language is a uniquely good thing for rationalists to prioritize learning.” (This is similar to Yoav and Jiro’s comments, but, theirs felt a bit more generic). Why is this a good rationalist-shibboleth-in-particular, as opposed to a generally neat thing (and sometime having shared neat things is neat?)
It’s entirely just a neat thing. I think most people should consider learning to sign, and the idea of it becoming a rationalist “thing” just sounded fun to me. I did try to make that clear, but apologies if it wasn’t. And as I said, sorry this is kind of off topic, it’s just been a thing bouncing around in my head.
One thing I’ve read somewhere is that people who sign but aren’t deaf, tend to use sign language in parallel with spoken language. That’s an entire parallel communications channel!
Relatedly, rationalists lean quite heavily towards explicit ask/tell culture. This is sometimes great, but often clunky: “are you asking for advice? I might have some helpful comments but I’m not sure if you actually want peoples’ opinions, or if you just wanted to vent.”
Combining these two things, I see possible norms evolving where spoken language is used for communicating complex thoughts, and signing is used for coordination, cohesion, making group decisions (which is often done implicitly in other communities). I think there’s a lot of potential upside here.