Are you responding to Connor’s three-hour debate-discussion with Guillaume Verdon (“Beff Jezos” of e/acc)? I thought it was excellent, but mostly because much more of the e/acc philosophy came into view. It was really Yudkowsky vs Hanson 2.0 - especially when one understands that the difference between Eliezer and Robin is not just about whether “foom” is likely, but also about whether value is better preserved by cautious careful correctness or by robust decentralized institutions. I don’t quite know all the pieces out of which Verdon assembled his worldview, but it turns out to have a lot more coherence than you’d guess, knowing only e/acc memes and slogans.
The comments are all over the place in terms of opinion, they both have fans and haters showing up.
It was not an ideal debate, but sparks flew, and I think the chaotic informality of it, actually helped to draw out more details of Verdon’s thinking. e/accs debate each other, but they don’t like to debate “decel” critics, they prefer to retreat behind their memes and get on with “building”. So I give Connor credit for getting more pieces of the e/acc puzzle into view. It’s like a mix of Austrian economics, dynamical systems teleology, and darwinistic transhumanism. The next step might be to steelman it with AI tools.
Are you responding to Connor’s three-hour debate-discussion with Guillaume Verdon (“Beff Jezos” of e/acc)? I thought it was excellent, but mostly because much more of the e/acc philosophy came into view. It was really Yudkowsky vs Hanson 2.0 - especially when one understands that the difference between Eliezer and Robin is not just about whether “foom” is likely, but also about whether value is better preserved by cautious careful correctness or by robust decentralized institutions. I don’t quite know all the pieces out of which Verdon assembled his worldview, but it turns out to have a lot more coherence than you’d guess, knowing only e/acc memes and slogans.
Did you read the comments?
The comments are all over the place in terms of opinion, they both have fans and haters showing up.
It was not an ideal debate, but sparks flew, and I think the chaotic informality of it, actually helped to draw out more details of Verdon’s thinking. e/accs debate each other, but they don’t like to debate “decel” critics, they prefer to retreat behind their memes and get on with “building”. So I give Connor credit for getting more pieces of the e/acc puzzle into view. It’s like a mix of Austrian economics, dynamical systems teleology, and darwinistic transhumanism. The next step might be to steelman it with AI tools.
yeah, that’s fair.