I feel the last part is merely using his audience’s applause lights (“liberation of women”) against them. If bin Laden’s enemies wouldn’t care about liberation of women, bin Laden wouldn’t bother talking about how their actions oppose the “deeper meaning” of liberation of women, because bin Laden honestly doesn’t care.
Analogically to how people on the other side spread rumors that when bin Laden was killed, there was a porn at his appartment. We honestly don’t care about some guy looking at porn, we just say it because we know that for our audience it is an issue.
In the future, if we will fight against an army of alien paperclip maximizers, we will try to tell them emotional stories about how their corrupt leaders actually secretly destroy dozens of paperclips. The best speakers will manage to have tears in their eyes while speaking about how the missing paperclips made the world a worse place.
(To avoid misunderstanding, I believe that some women do enjoy the situation of being told what to do. If the culture tells them this is the right thing to do, there is probably a higher fraction of such women in such culture. And bin Laden may sincerely believe that this is how women should be. It’s just Orwellian language to call this a “liberation of women”. It would be fair to say “boo liberation, yay submission!”, but it is manipulative to say “submission is the true liberation”.)
It seems very odd to me that you respond to my comment with this comment. If you don’t think bin Laden means what he says, isn’t that a general point that should be a top-level response to the post? Shouldn’t this be a response to the Prussian talking about the word “freedom” at all, rather than deep in this thread about “freedom” vs “liberation”?
I feel the last part is merely using his audience’s applause lights (“liberation of women”) against them. If bin Laden’s enemies wouldn’t care about liberation of women, bin Laden wouldn’t bother talking about how their actions oppose the “deeper meaning” of liberation of women, because bin Laden honestly doesn’t care.
Analogically to how people on the other side spread rumors that when bin Laden was killed, there was a porn at his appartment. We honestly don’t care about some guy looking at porn, we just say it because we know that for our audience it is an issue.
In the future, if we will fight against an army of alien paperclip maximizers, we will try to tell them emotional stories about how their corrupt leaders actually secretly destroy dozens of paperclips. The best speakers will manage to have tears in their eyes while speaking about how the missing paperclips made the world a worse place.
(To avoid misunderstanding, I believe that some women do enjoy the situation of being told what to do. If the culture tells them this is the right thing to do, there is probably a higher fraction of such women in such culture. And bin Laden may sincerely believe that this is how women should be. It’s just Orwellian language to call this a “liberation of women”. It would be fair to say “boo liberation, yay submission!”, but it is manipulative to say “submission is the true liberation”.)
It seems very odd to me that you respond to my comment with this comment. If you don’t think bin Laden means what he says, isn’t that a general point that should be a top-level response to the post? Shouldn’t this be a response to the Prussian talking about the word “freedom” at all, rather than deep in this thread about “freedom” vs “liberation”?
It seems to me that “liberation of women” is more specific than “freedom”. But maybe you are right.