Also, I don’t think my original comment here was intended to focus on the “badness” characterization.
What I meant to be saying is “It seems like the overall simulacrum model was invented, in large part, to some particular failure modes that happen when society or individuals operate primarily on the level 4 level.” Thus, I realize my suggestion to factor out the implicit “level 4 is complicated” claims probably flies against the original intended-use-case of the model. But, nonetheless, I think it’ll be easier to talk about “societal level 4” and it’s pathologies with a different model that builds off a simpler simulacrum model.
I was just using “bad” as shorthand. It wasn’t meant to be a cruxy element of my argument.
Nod, makes sense.
I think we are (at least mostly) in agreement about this aspect of the territory, and the disagreement is just over what sort of maps are most useful.
Also, I don’t think my original comment here was intended to focus on the “badness” characterization.
What I meant to be saying is “It seems like the overall simulacrum model was invented, in large part, to some particular failure modes that happen when society or individuals operate primarily on the level 4 level.” Thus, I realize my suggestion to factor out the implicit “level 4 is complicated” claims probably flies against the original intended-use-case of the model. But, nonetheless, I think it’ll be easier to talk about “societal level 4” and it’s pathologies with a different model that builds off a simpler simulacrum model.
I was just using “bad” as shorthand. It wasn’t meant to be a cruxy element of my argument.