In case it refreshes your memory, this was in a research retreat, we were in a living room on couches, you and I and Nate were there, Critch and Ryan Carey were probably there, I was saying that convincing DeepMind people to care about alignment was a good plan, people were saying that was overly naive and competition was a better approach. I believe Nate specifically said something about Demis saying that he couldn’t stop DeepMind researchers from publishing dangerous/unaligned AI things even if he tried. Even if Demis can be reasoned with, that doesn’t imply DeepMind as a whole can be reasoned with, since DeepMind also includes and is driven by these researchers who Demis doesn’t think he can reason with.
Sounds like something that could have happened, sure, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Critch or Carey confirm that version of things. A retreat with non-MIRI people present, and nuanced general discussion on that topic happening, is a very different event to have actually happened than the impression this post leaves in the mind of the reader.
In case it refreshes your memory, this was in a research retreat, we were in a living room on couches, you and I and Nate were there, Critch and Ryan Carey were probably there, I was saying that convincing DeepMind people to care about alignment was a good plan, people were saying that was overly naive and competition was a better approach. I believe Nate specifically said something about Demis saying that he couldn’t stop DeepMind researchers from publishing dangerous/unaligned AI things even if he tried. Even if Demis can be reasoned with, that doesn’t imply DeepMind as a whole can be reasoned with, since DeepMind also includes and is driven by these researchers who Demis doesn’t think he can reason with.
Sounds like something that could have happened, sure, I wouldn’t be surprised to hear Critch or Carey confirm that version of things. A retreat with non-MIRI people present, and nuanced general discussion on that topic happening, is a very different event to have actually happened than the impression this post leaves in the mind of the reader.
Critch and Carey were MIRI people at the time. It wasn’t just them disagreeing with me, I think you and/or Nate were as well.