In additioned to teageegeepea’s points, the Mbuti (who were in the original link I provided that was criticized for having no “nomadic foragers”) have villages but no farming. Women help with the hunting and men help with the kids.
Despite being sedentary, anthropologists attribute their balanced sex roles to the fact that women traditionally build the huts, and have something kind of like property rights over them. They have a little bit of polygamy, but it is rare. (Also, they are sometimes treated horribly by political neighbors to the point of being hunted as food. It seems messed up to mention them as “examples for science” without also mentioning their actual interests as human beings.)
I resent the implication that I am making an appeal to nature. However egalitarian and pleasant our nomadic ancestors’ lives may have been, I have no desire to imitate them. The best that evolutionary psychology can do is identify certain biological predilections; it cannot and should not attempt to justify them.
“Appeal to nature” is a named fallacy because is super super common, and I didn’t even say you were committing it, I said “there would be incentives” to use certain evidence if anyone was going to. Even if you’re not committing the bias, lots of the people you’re reading probably do. When I notice “low hanging fallacy fruit” its seems useful to call it out so as to note the possible influence on everyone who reads it… it’s like verbally pointing out poison oak when you’re hiking, just to be safe.
Please slow down on the resentment! Seriously, you even quoted my smiley but got defensive anyway!
I’m not trying to insult you. I’m trying to figure out where you’re coming from and help you see where I’m coming from, so we can both get a better handle on the truth while trying to ensure that our writing has good epistemic effects on the audience at the same time :-)
In additioned to teageegeepea’s points, the Mbuti (who were in the original link I provided that was criticized for having no “nomadic foragers”) have villages but no farming. Women help with the hunting and men help with the kids.
They also engage in trade with nearby agricultural tribes for all kinds of stuff. And once you have stuff, you need a place to put it. And then you start to make a big deal about how it’s your stuff and not anyone else’s, and then you’re not living in the kind of egalitarian forager band that defined the evolutionary environment.
Please slow down on the resentment! Seriously, you even quoted my smiley but got defensive anyway!
I’m resentful of smilies :D (Disclaimer: this is a self-deprecating joke about my own grumpiness.)
In additioned to teageegeepea’s points, the Mbuti (who were in the original link I provided that was criticized for having no “nomadic foragers”) have villages but no farming. Women help with the hunting and men help with the kids.
Despite being sedentary, anthropologists attribute their balanced sex roles to the fact that women traditionally build the huts, and have something kind of like property rights over them. They have a little bit of polygamy, but it is rare. (Also, they are sometimes treated horribly by political neighbors to the point of being hunted as food. It seems messed up to mention them as “examples for science” without also mentioning their actual interests as human beings.)
“Appeal to nature” is a named fallacy because is super super common, and I didn’t even say you were committing it, I said “there would be incentives” to use certain evidence if anyone was going to. Even if you’re not committing the bias, lots of the people you’re reading probably do. When I notice “low hanging fallacy fruit” its seems useful to call it out so as to note the possible influence on everyone who reads it… it’s like verbally pointing out poison oak when you’re hiking, just to be safe.
Please slow down on the resentment! Seriously, you even quoted my smiley but got defensive anyway!
I’m not trying to insult you. I’m trying to figure out where you’re coming from and help you see where I’m coming from, so we can both get a better handle on the truth while trying to ensure that our writing has good epistemic effects on the audience at the same time :-)
They also engage in trade with nearby agricultural tribes for all kinds of stuff. And once you have stuff, you need a place to put it. And then you start to make a big deal about how it’s your stuff and not anyone else’s, and then you’re not living in the kind of egalitarian forager band that defined the evolutionary environment.
I’m resentful of smilies :D (Disclaimer: this is a self-deprecating joke about my own grumpiness.)