They could have qualia, unless qualia is indicative of a spiritual aspect to life rather than a byproduct of relational consciousness where consciousness and possibly qualia emerge from an interaction between sensory input and internal processing ?
not quite sure what your saying here ? “So it seems quite plausible that neither implies the other.”
some claim ai has already achieved agi. I think this raises questions of free will and its definitions eg the ability to choose from set of limited options.
More than one person has claimed that ai at the moment behaves the way it does because it has been programmed that way.
As far as having just a little bit of consciousness, I Have wondered in the past about panpsychism and gradients of awareness eg does an atom feel heat and its motion guided by this sense. But I think even with this concept consciousness would be defined as something different and in the case of this concept consciousness may be defined as an emergent property that allows an evolved entity to commandeer groups of atoms that function as a unit in order to choose from a set of options ie exercise free will. But on the other hand in this example consciousness seems inevitable as it would be required again to commandeer the group of evolved atoms functioning as a unit. That is if you believe in free will considering the idea that atoms have intrinsic behavioural properties meaning everything we do is determined by such. But then again does panpsychism and gradients of consciousness counter this idea ? or Does it reinforce it and simply explain the behaviour of atoms in terms of a level of awareness and free will ?
If the latter is true then how is our emergent consciousness commandeering groups of pan psychic atoms ? Maybe we are just observers ?
But if the former is true then again we are just observers ?
Which makes me wonder if spirituality is required for free will ?
But just the fact we can have discussions about free will seems to imply we have it and are more than just an awareness being driven by groups of atoms, albeit evolved atoms in the form of molecules and cells etc.
Which if true seems to imply awareness (or should I say consciousness as the latter to my understanding includes having free will where the former does not) isn‘t emergent from relational processes as a function of sensory input and internal processing which brings me back to the question in my original post.
They could have qualia, unless qualia is indicative of a spiritual aspect to life rather than a byproduct of relational consciousness where consciousness and possibly qualia emerge from an interaction between sensory input and internal processing ?
not quite sure what your saying here ? “So it seems quite plausible that neither implies the other.”
some claim ai has already achieved agi. I think this raises questions of free will and its definitions eg the ability to choose from set of limited options.
More than one person has claimed that ai at the moment behaves the way it does because it has been programmed that way.
As far as having just a little bit of consciousness, I Have wondered in the past about panpsychism and gradients of awareness eg does an atom feel heat and its motion guided by this sense. But I think even with this concept consciousness would be defined as something different and in the case of this concept consciousness may be defined as an emergent property that allows an evolved entity to commandeer groups of atoms that function as a unit in order to choose from a set of options ie exercise free will. But on the other hand in this example consciousness seems inevitable as it would be required again to commandeer the group of evolved atoms functioning as a unit. That is if you believe in free will considering the idea that atoms have intrinsic behavioural properties meaning everything we do is determined by such. But then again does panpsychism and gradients of consciousness counter this idea ? or Does it reinforce it and simply explain the behaviour of atoms in terms of a level of awareness and free will ?
If the latter is true then how is our emergent consciousness commandeering groups of pan psychic atoms ? Maybe we are just observers ?
But if the former is true then again we are just observers ?
Which makes me wonder if spirituality is required for free will ?
But just the fact we can have discussions about free will seems to imply we have it and are more than just an awareness being driven by groups of atoms, albeit evolved atoms in the form of molecules and cells etc.
Which if true seems to imply awareness (or should I say consciousness as the latter to my understanding includes having free will where the former does not) isn‘t emergent from relational processes as a function of sensory input and internal processing which brings me back to the question in my original post.
Unless of course consciousness is a spiritual phenomenon.