And possibly suggests qualia is more than just the quality or isness of an experience and may extend to include aspects of form or other qualities ?
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You could even relate this to quantum physics where the unmeasured waveform exists in a superposition of both waveform / particle at all points in space and time and interferes with itself even as a single particle which when fired through one slit actually travels through both slits simeltaneously , proving the superposition. Could this analogously mean we create our own perception ?
Which reminds me of this book :
The question this video raises for me is how do light waves and the different shapes and patterns they come in affect subjective perception ?
Just watched a podcast where the interviewee talked about Charles Bonnet syndrome which causes people with eyesight loss to hallucinate presumably because their brain generated perception fills in the gaps in their eyesight and if true (which I think it is) this proves qualia true !
If it’s the bitterness of coffee that gives you a jolt and causes you to be more alert then does this prove qualia false (although qualia can refer to the isness or quality of an experience which i think can be different to its stated isness or quality, although for something to taste not only reportedly bitter but also have stimulating effects you would think there would have to be a congruency between the two where the bitterness was causing the alertness by its very nature) as that bitterness would need to be common to all coffee drinkers to have that effect unless coffees bitterness and it stimulating effects are psychosomatic and possibly due to the power of suggestion , where by it was anecdotally reported that coffee was bitter and increased alertness and this perception influenced other people’s experience of coffee. However this itself raises questions of subjective perception and qualia.
It reminds me of the time I ate anchovies on pizza without realising it and thought they were delicious until I realised there were anchovies on the pizza which I normally don’t like at which point they tasted disgusting to me. I think this is an example of the power of the subconscious mind to influence perception and possibly even neurotransmitter levels via that perception. But is this enjoyment related to the quality of the experience or something else ?
Although if the coffees stimulating effects were caused by perception rather than a chemical influence then coffee mixed with milk and sugar wouldn’t have the same stimulating effect ? Unless that too is influenced by the power of suggestion and expectation ?
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I am wondering if perception is subjective does this make telepathy impossible as there would need to be a translation mechanism between sender of thought and receiver to translate the message into the receivers subjective perception based thought form which the sender probably couldn’t have the same subjective perception form of (I wonder what the odds are of this ?). With this in mind I wondered if all instances of telepathy are actually precognition possibly enabled by some quantum phenomenon?
Unless idealism is right and consciousness precedes matter with consciousness possibly acting as the ether and common awareness substance that allows for phenomena like telepathy and the shared perception of consciousness generated perception (qualia) ?
I have more rough takes that I posted under various topics that I will post soon.
Just watched a podcast where the interviewee talked about Charles Bonnet syndrome which causes people with eyesight loss to hallucinate presumably because their brain generated perception fills in the gaps in their eyesight and if true (which I think it is) this proves qualia true !
Thinking about qualia in examples where there are only two comparable options eg black and white , could the isness of the black and white be qualitative and how does qualia relate to objects in space ? Eg where black ends and white begins ? I think there was an article about this online.
Another example could be hot and cold. But does the danger to life in extreme examples of hot and cold suggest qualia is false or is there room for subjective perception within physical extremes ?n
Thinking about qualia in examples where there are only two comparable options eg black and white , could the isness of the black and white be qualitative and how does qualia relate to objects in space ? Eg where black ends and white begins ? I think there was an article about this online.
Another example could be hot and cold. But does the danger to life in extreme examples of hot and cold suggest qualia is false or is there room for subjective perception within physical extremes ?n
Think of qualia in terms of the position or orientation of objects in space eg in a black and white picture how does the division between the white and black segments relate to qualia in other words what are the limits to subjective perception ? In terms of brain chemistry this relates to neurotransmitters with the chemistry of subjective perception remaining elusive and unable to be quantified by methods such as blood tests. It is illogical to think all perception is subjective and also serving to hide our true nature because as sentient beings we manage to interact functionally and share space in the phenomenal universe.
Think of qualia in terms of the position or orientation of objects in space eg in a black and white picture how does the division between the white and black segments relate to qualia in other words what are the limits to subjective perception ? In terms of brain chemistry this relates to neurotransmitters with the chemistry of subjective perception remaining elusive and unable to be quantified by methods such as blood tests. It is illogical to think all perception is subjective and also serving to hide our true nature because as sentient beings we manage to interact functionally and share space in the phenomenal universe.
https://enchroma.com/blogs/beyond-color/how-color-blind-see
Does the fact this level of understanding of colour blindness is known and that for example the black and white type of colour blindness is observable and verifiable and contains no colours other than black and white , does this prove subjective perception is false or is there still an intrinsic isness that is unique to the individual ?
https://enchroma.com/blogs/beyond-color/how-color-blind-see
Does the fact this level of understanding of colour blindness is known and that for example the black and white type of colour blindness is observable and verifiable and contains no colours other than black and white , does this prove subjective perception is false or is there still an intrinsic isness that is unique to the individual ?
This notion of a universe not based on subjective perception raises questions about is the universe consciousness based which I think the answer would have to be no unless we are all made of the same mind stuff that gives us common yet mind generated perception.
This notion of a universe not based on subjective perception raises questions about is the universe consciousness based which I think the answer would have to be no unless we are all made of the same mind stuff that gives us common yet mind generated perception.
Still trying to figure out if colour blindness proves qualia true or false … I think it proves it false if two people agree a patch of colour is green and someone else says it is blue then there must be something common between the the three perceiverers, first of all the two who see green for them to agree the patch is green and even between the third perceiver for him to disagree and say it is blue, there has to be I suggest a telepathic link that allows for the agreement and disagreement all to be in congruence with each other even if one of them disagrees on the colour of the patch.
Still trying to figure out if colour blindness proves qualia true or false … I think it proves it false if two people agree a patch of colour is green and someone else says it is blue then there must be something common between the the three perceiverers, first of all the two who see green for them to agree the patch is green and even between the third perceiver for him to disagree and say it is blue, there has to be I suggest a telepathic link that allows for the agreement and disagreement all to be in congruence with each other even if one of them disagrees on the colour of the patch.
Interesting article I found about measuring subjective perception
https://wires.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/wcs.1697
It would seems thoughts maybe are atomic in nature as the secret claims (which I guess explains the law of attraction via electromagnetism) because fMRI scans which use magnets can’t prove telepathy in twins despite years of anecdotal evidence saying twins are linked telepathically.
Unless the universe is dualist in nature and thoughts are spiritual but interface with the electromagnetic material nature of the physical universe.
Or if relational consciousness is true and thoughts are emergent from the interaction between sensory input and brain processes or thoughts arise from relational interaction between brain regions. Then thoughts could still somehow be linked to electromagnetic brain waves in dualist or materialist philosophies.