Eigentrust sounds awesome. I was really excited about it when first discovered, but thought that people won’t have a good reason to fill out their trust weights. Grant money allocation could be a perfect motivator.
I wonder if it’s good to pre-fill the trust weights (e.g. based on AF upvotes history), to make it easier for users (and motivate those who strongly disagree with their defaults)
Thank you for offering to volunteer with this, I’ll definitely reach out if I decide to run the fellowship with Eigentrust.
I’ve made solid progress on putting together a site I’d be happy with, not quite there yet, eta another 24 to 48h. Let me know if you end up not wanting to couple your donations and eigentaste; there’s still clear value in running it, so I’m going to get it done regardless.
Sent you a demo. Reasonably close to ready for real use by motivated users, but the human-facing prompting still need refining in order to be properly meaningful.
but thought that people won’t have a good reason to fill out their trust weights
Yeah, I notice that using a transitive quality as the endorsement criterion, and making votes public, produces an incentive for a person to give useful endorsements: Failing to issue informative endorsements would indicate them as not having this transitive quality and so not being worthy of endorsement themselves. We can also make it prominent in a person’s profile if, for instance, they’ve strongly endorsed themselves, or if they’ve only endorsed a few people without also doing any abstention endorsements (which redistribute trust back to the current distribution). Some will have an excuse for doing this, most will be able to do better.
I wonder if it’s good to pre-fill the trust weights (e.g. based on AF upvotes history), to make it easier for users (and motivate those who strongly disagree with their defaults)
True. Doing that by default, and also doing some of the aforementioned abstention endorsements by default, would address accidental overconfident votes pretty well.
(Also, howdy, I should probably help with this, I was R&Ding web of trust systems for a while before realising there didn’t seem to be healthy enough hosts for them (they can misbehave if placed in the wrong situations), so I switched to working on extensible social software/forums, to build better hosts. It wasn’t clear to me that the alignment community needed this kind of thing, but I guess it probably does at this point.)
Eigentrust sounds awesome. I was really excited about it when first discovered, but thought that people won’t have a good reason to fill out their trust weights. Grant money allocation could be a perfect motivator.
I wonder if it’s good to pre-fill the trust weights (e.g. based on AF upvotes history), to make it easier for users (and motivate those who strongly disagree with their defaults)
Thank you for offering to volunteer with this, I’ll definitely reach out if I decide to run the fellowship with Eigentrust.
I’ve made solid progress on putting together a site I’d be happy with, not quite there yet, eta another 24 to 48h. Let me know if you end up not wanting to couple your donations and eigentaste; there’s still clear value in running it, so I’m going to get it done regardless.
Sent you a demo. Reasonably close to ready for real use by motivated users, but the human-facing prompting still need refining in order to be properly meaningful.
Yeah, I notice that using a transitive quality as the endorsement criterion, and making votes public, produces an incentive for a person to give useful endorsements: Failing to issue informative endorsements would indicate them as not having this transitive quality and so not being worthy of endorsement themselves.
We can also make it prominent in a person’s profile if, for instance, they’ve strongly endorsed themselves, or if they’ve only endorsed a few people without also doing any abstention endorsements (which redistribute trust back to the current distribution). Some will have an excuse for doing this, most will be able to do better.
True. Doing that by default, and also doing some of the aforementioned abstention endorsements by default, would address accidental overconfident votes pretty well.
(Also, howdy, I should probably help with this, I was R&Ding web of trust systems for a while before realising there didn’t seem to be healthy enough hosts for them (they can misbehave if placed in the wrong situations), so I switched to working on extensible social software/forums, to build better hosts. It wasn’t clear to me that the alignment community needed this kind of thing, but I guess it probably does at this point.)