Episode 31: Embodied-Embedded RR as Dynamical-Developmental GI
So last time we were taking a look at the centrality of relevance realization: how many processes central to our intelligence, possibly also to the functionality of our consciousness, presuppose / require / are dependent upon relevance realization. So we had gotten to a point where we saw how many things fed into this and then I made the argument that it is probably at some fundamental level a unified phenomena because it comports well with the phenomena of general intelligence which is a very robust and reliable finding about human beings and then I propose to you that what we need to do is two things: we need to try to give a naturalistic account of this and then show if we have naturalized this, can we then use it in an elegant manner to explain a lot of the central features of human spirituality?
I already indicated in the last lecture how some of that was already being strongly suggested. We got an account of self-transcendence that comes out of dynamic emergence that is being created by the ongoing complexification and this has to do with the very nature of relevance realization as this ongoing evolving fittedness of your sensorimotor loop to its environment under the virtual engineering of bioeconomic logistical constraints of efficiency that tend to compress and integrate and assimilate and resiliency that tend to particularize and differentiate. When those are happening in such a dynamically coupled and integrated fashion within an ongoing opponent processing, then you get complexification that produces self-transcendence. Of course, much more is needed.
This is one of the less-edited transcripts; I often try to change it from one long sentence, which is appropriate for talks, to many smaller sentences and paragraphs, which reads better online; also I try to delete false starts and so on. I’ve been busier and putting less time into the editing, so some of the quality decrease from previous summaries is me.
I’m also becoming less confident that his ‘reminders at the beginning of the next lecture’ are the right summaries to use; they’re much more “ok, here’s where we were, now let’s keep going” instead of “here’s the main change from the last lecture, now let’s look at the next topic in order.”
[There’s also a big inferential distance problem here, where he’s built up some jargon and summarizes his points in that jargon, which (of course) does not make the points any easier to transfer. Like, this really isn’t a substitute for the lectures yet!]
Yeah, I wanted to comment on that second paragraph being way overly complex, but didn’t have much to say apart from that. Your description seems apt. I hope at least he knows what he’s talking about with all these words. But in terms of communicating these ideas, that does not do the job. (And my memory is that I felt pretty much the same while watching the full lecture, even though i really like his idea of relevance realization)
The style starts to go from laid out presentation to more thinking aloud.
There are a lot of arrows going on, they have different kinds of meaning and there are two particularly ill-defined and handwavy horizontal lines.
The argument for G.I. and such “proving” that RR is unified doesn’t really go througt for me. g-factor is formulated by picking questions which have correlations on having them correct over different participants. If Intelligence or RR was a scattered thing the methodology would not be able to show that, the questions that would show capacity diversity would be ill-formed questions and not included in the tests. He is dismissing the problems as fine details but I think he is relying them in about that accuracy level, it is improper to wave them away.
One can talk about whether the g-factor is wide os small but its existence is not interesting. And existence of different kinds of intelligence points to a scattered direction. As I have understood visual-spatial reasoning can be formulated as a different dimension from language proficiency. In a school metaphor, society and students might talk alot about their “averages” but on another level they get a separate grade for each subject. That society fusses a lot over averages doesn’t mean that there is a special unified “schoolness” ability that allows one to run fast at physical education and manipulate symbols fast at math. There are other factors beside g-factor and the g-factor being supersalient because of its popularity would seem to smell like a potential illusion.
The style is a bit wavy in that point we make very fine distinctions and at other points we are being very handwavy. In the parts where he refers more to work done by others it seems more of misapplication. A lot of it seems it could be interesting but it also constantly feels that details are getting trampled over left and right. It might be because I am watching partly out of order but he has theme were is is annoyed by important concepts becoming trivialized. But I realised that such trivializations are a product of relevance realization, in order to use an english idiom you primarily need its current symbolic meaning and you do next to nothing with the etymology unless you are doing a special thing like trying to search for connections between concepts. But according to RR this “cut to be fast” is the way how to be efficient and choose to do the important thing with the toys available (here the idiom). When there are lot of clever turns of phrases that reveal the subparts the revelations seems plausible and valuble but when he decries on why everybody doesn’t see the world like he sees it, that is like demanding or expecting that everybody is a philosopher or a linguist. So I am feeling that there should be more “this is what it is cool about being me” and “going along this path gedts you these kind of things” but less of “you should be more like me”, “I know who you should be”.
Episode 31: Embodied-Embedded RR as Dynamical-Developmental GI
I cannot distinguish this from GPT-3. Is it just me?
This is one of the less-edited transcripts; I often try to change it from one long sentence, which is appropriate for talks, to many smaller sentences and paragraphs, which reads better online; also I try to delete false starts and so on. I’ve been busier and putting less time into the editing, so some of the quality decrease from previous summaries is me.
I’m also becoming less confident that his ‘reminders at the beginning of the next lecture’ are the right summaries to use; they’re much more “ok, here’s where we were, now let’s keep going” instead of “here’s the main change from the last lecture, now let’s look at the next topic in order.”
[There’s also a big inferential distance problem here, where he’s built up some jargon and summarizes his points in that jargon, which (of course) does not make the points any easier to transfer. Like, this really isn’t a substitute for the lectures yet!]
If I edited it, I’m not sure there would be anything left. :)
Yeah, I wanted to comment on that second paragraph being way overly complex, but didn’t have much to say apart from that. Your description seems apt. I hope at least he knows what he’s talking about with all these words. But in terms of communicating these ideas, that does not do the job. (And my memory is that I felt pretty much the same while watching the full lecture, even though i really like his idea of relevance realization)
The style starts to go from laid out presentation to more thinking aloud.
There are a lot of arrows going on, they have different kinds of meaning and there are two particularly ill-defined and handwavy horizontal lines.
The argument for G.I. and such “proving” that RR is unified doesn’t really go througt for me. g-factor is formulated by picking questions which have correlations on having them correct over different participants. If Intelligence or RR was a scattered thing the methodology would not be able to show that, the questions that would show capacity diversity would be ill-formed questions and not included in the tests. He is dismissing the problems as fine details but I think he is relying them in about that accuracy level, it is improper to wave them away.
One can talk about whether the g-factor is wide os small but its existence is not interesting. And existence of different kinds of intelligence points to a scattered direction. As I have understood visual-spatial reasoning can be formulated as a different dimension from language proficiency. In a school metaphor, society and students might talk alot about their “averages” but on another level they get a separate grade for each subject. That society fusses a lot over averages doesn’t mean that there is a special unified “schoolness” ability that allows one to run fast at physical education and manipulate symbols fast at math. There are other factors beside g-factor and the g-factor being supersalient because of its popularity would seem to smell like a potential illusion.
The style is a bit wavy in that point we make very fine distinctions and at other points we are being very handwavy. In the parts where he refers more to work done by others it seems more of misapplication. A lot of it seems it could be interesting but it also constantly feels that details are getting trampled over left and right. It might be because I am watching partly out of order but he has theme were is is annoyed by important concepts becoming trivialized. But I realised that such trivializations are a product of relevance realization, in order to use an english idiom you primarily need its current symbolic meaning and you do next to nothing with the etymology unless you are doing a special thing like trying to search for connections between concepts. But according to RR this “cut to be fast” is the way how to be efficient and choose to do the important thing with the toys available (here the idiom). When there are lot of clever turns of phrases that reveal the subparts the revelations seems plausible and valuble but when he decries on why everybody doesn’t see the world like he sees it, that is like demanding or expecting that everybody is a philosopher or a linguist. So I am feeling that there should be more “this is what it is cool about being me” and “going along this path gedts you these kind of things” but less of “you should be more like me”, “I know who you should be”.