Can you think of any examples of successful social movements whose main medium of communication was something akin to a forum? Maybe something involving riots?
To be more object level, doing things requires making not perfect decisions but making them with conviction. A panopticon where peoples explicit goal is to be scout mindset (at best) or pedantically criticize at worst is not going to foment do-acracy. It also requires sub groups/committees, incentivizing doing, etc. I can flesh this out more if you aren’t getting the spirit of what I mean.
re crowding out, I think these forums are on net substitutes not complements for other forms of organization. I don’t have specific evidence here and am not that confident though.
I think I get the spirit. I thought, from the way you phrased it, that you were making an empirical claim (eg: ‘I saw [x better thing] not happen because LessWrong something something’). But it sounds like you’re making a more conceptual argument (which I think has legs, but for different reasons than you do, and I think we disagree on the effect size).
Can you say more about the two claims in your last sentence?
Can you think of any examples of successful social movements whose main medium of communication was something akin to a forum? Maybe something involving riots?
To be more object level, doing things requires making not perfect decisions but making them with conviction. A panopticon where peoples explicit goal is to be scout mindset (at best) or pedantically criticize at worst is not going to foment do-acracy. It also requires sub groups/committees, incentivizing doing, etc. I can flesh this out more if you aren’t getting the spirit of what I mean.
re crowding out, I think these forums are on net substitutes not complements for other forms of organization. I don’t have specific evidence here and am not that confident though.
I think I get the spirit. I thought, from the way you phrased it, that you were making an empirical claim (eg: ‘I saw [x better thing] not happen because LessWrong something something’). But it sounds like you’re making a more conceptual argument (which I think has legs, but for different reasons than you do, and I think we disagree on the effect size).
Thanks for responding.
So, more like the Bolsheviks, then? The Sons of Liberty?
Mothers against Drunk Driving?
Are you asking me to be more specific or trying to be condescending? Those orgs all seem much more conducive for coordinating yea
No disrespect intended.