Instead, in helpless view, you focus on things like: International mainstream consensus.
Hold on. I thought the helpless view was for the “dumb masses”. They are certainly not able to figure out what the “international mainstream consensus” is. Hell, even I have no idea what it is (or even what it means).
A simple example: Western democracy. What’s the “international mainstream consensus”? Assuming it exists, I would guess it says that the Western-style democracy needs a strong guiding hand lest it devolves into degeneracy and amoral chaos. And hey, if you ask the experts in your outgroup (!) they probably wouldn’t be great fans of the Western democracies, that’s why they are in the outgroup to start with.
I have a feeling you want the helpless view to cherry-pick the “right” advice from the confusing mess of the “international consensus” and various experts and government recommendations. I don’t see how this can work well.
in the current world the helpless view tells you not to believe conspiracy theories.
Heh. You know the definitions of a cult and a religion? A cult is a small unsuccessful religion. A religion is a large successful cult.
In exactly the same way what gets labeled a “conspiracy theory” is already a rejected view. If the mainstream believes in a conspiracy theory, it’s not called a “conspiracy theory”, it’s called a deep and insightful analysis. If you were to live in a culture where Holocaust denial was mainstream, it wouldn’t be called a conspiracy theory, it would be called “what all right-minded people believe”.
For what purpose are you separating the people into elite and masses?
For the purpose of promoting/recommending either the independent view or the helpless view.
Hold on. I thought the helpless view was for the “dumb masses”. They are certainly not able to figure out what the “international mainstream consensus” is. Hell, even I have no idea what it is (or even what it means).
The “dumb masses” here are not defined as being low-IQ, but just low-rationality. Low-IQ people would probably be better served just doing what people around them are doing (or maybe not; I’m not an expert in low-IQ people).
A simple example: Western democracy. What’s the “international mainstream consensus”?
Well, one of the first conclusions to draw with helpless view is “politics is too complicated to figure out”. I’m not sure I care that much about figuring out if democracy is good according to helpless view. The UN seems to like democracy, and I would count that as helpless-view evidence in favor of it.
I would guess it says that the Western-style democracy needs a strong guiding hand lest it devolves into degeneracy and amoral chaos.
I would guess that there is an ambiguously pro-democratic response. 48% of the world lives in democracies, and the places that aren’t democratic probably don’t agree as much on how to be un-democratic as the democratic places agree on how to be democratic.
For the purpose of promoting/recommending either the independent view or the helpless view.
Whoever does the promoting/recommending seems like a natural candidate, then.
Hold on. I thought the helpless view was for the “dumb masses”. They are certainly not able to figure out what the “international mainstream consensus” is. Hell, even I have no idea what it is (or even what it means).
A simple example: Western democracy. What’s the “international mainstream consensus”? Assuming it exists, I would guess it says that the Western-style democracy needs a strong guiding hand lest it devolves into degeneracy and amoral chaos. And hey, if you ask the experts in your outgroup (!) they probably wouldn’t be great fans of the Western democracies, that’s why they are in the outgroup to start with.
I have a feeling you want the helpless view to cherry-pick the “right” advice from the confusing mess of the “international consensus” and various experts and government recommendations. I don’t see how this can work well.
Heh. You know the definitions of a cult and a religion? A cult is a small unsuccessful religion. A religion is a large successful cult.
In exactly the same way what gets labeled a “conspiracy theory” is already a rejected view. If the mainstream believes in a conspiracy theory, it’s not called a “conspiracy theory”, it’s called a deep and insightful analysis. If you were to live in a culture where Holocaust denial was mainstream, it wouldn’t be called a conspiracy theory, it would be called “what all right-minded people believe”.
For the purpose of promoting/recommending either the independent view or the helpless view.
By the way, you asked for a helpless-view deconversion. TomSka just posted one, so...
The “dumb masses” here are not defined as being low-IQ, but just low-rationality. Low-IQ people would probably be better served just doing what people around them are doing (or maybe not; I’m not an expert in low-IQ people).
Well, one of the first conclusions to draw with helpless view is “politics is too complicated to figure out”. I’m not sure I care that much about figuring out if democracy is good according to helpless view. The UN seems to like democracy, and I would count that as helpless-view evidence in favor of it.
I would guess that there is an ambiguously pro-democratic response. 48% of the world lives in democracies, and the places that aren’t democratic probably don’t agree as much on how to be un-democratic as the democratic places agree on how to be democratic.
Whoever does the promoting/recommending seems like a natural candidate, then.