I don’t want to keep defending this because you’re almost entirely right and as a trans person myself I just personally cringe at the idea of being certain that someone in distress was Actually Not Trans Because They Were Manipulated. that’s… really the extent of it. We won’t reach a resolution on this because it doesn’t matter, the key point is there was intense manipulation and a split personality was intentionally created by manipulation. Whether that person was truly trans underneath is unknowable and I am quite willing to admit the reason I’m cringing against refusing to acknowledge that, but it really is mostly about those besides the person in question, so … shrug. If they’d been a woman to start with it would still be just as bad.
I’ve turned my downvote into an upvote because −6 seems too low for just this. The fact that people’s self-expression can be manipulated does in fact make it ambiguous whether that occurred or whether there was real self-expression. some people really are bullied. it’s also extremely likely that a group of trans people collected people who seemed at a minimum naturally inclined to not be cis, so I am inclined to bet that this person really had some gender stuff going on. regardless, ziz destroyed them, and chris or maia, we must mourn the one known as pazek.
I would in fact bet that the sleep deprivation thing made them more inclined to transition when they did, but would personally roll to disbelieve that it was the only cause of transition. That’s really it.
I don’t want to keep defending this because you’re almost entirely right and as a trans person myself I just personally cringe at the idea of being certain that someone in distress was Actually Not Trans Because They Were Manipulated. that’s… really the extent of it. We won’t reach a resolution on this because it doesn’t matter, the key point is there was intense manipulation and a split personality was intentionally created by manipulation. Whether that person was truly trans underneath is unknowable and I am quite willing to admit the reason I’m cringing against refusing to acknowledge that, but it really is mostly about those besides the person in question, so … shrug. If they’d been a woman to start with it would still be just as bad.
I’ve turned my downvote into an upvote because −6 seems too low for just this. The fact that people’s self-expression can be manipulated does in fact make it ambiguous whether that occurred or whether there was real self-expression. some people really are bullied. it’s also extremely likely that a group of trans people collected people who seemed at a minimum naturally inclined to not be cis, so I am inclined to bet that this person really had some gender stuff going on. regardless, ziz destroyed them, and chris or maia, we must mourn the one known as pazek.
I would in fact bet that the sleep deprivation thing made them more inclined to transition when they did, but would personally roll to disbelieve that it was the only cause of transition. That’s really it.