I would rather see them for free on YouTube or something. It would help me and others decide if it was something we’d want to try out ourselves.
Without having attended one, and as someone who has been reading OB/LW ever since Eliezer started posting at OB, it seems like the largest benefit I would get out of such a thing is the social networking benefits. If I’m right, and if I’m typical, you wouldn’t be removing motivation for most potential camp attendees because they wouldn’t get the biggest benefit …person-to-person networking and friendship-building.
I’d say it was likely that those, whose motivation to attend was removed by feeling like they’d already got everything out of the camps by watching the videos, would be more than counteracted by interest raised in the camps by the videos.
Unless the videos make the camp seem boring or not worthwhile, of course!
Videotapes aren’t interactive, and it seems like the biggest benefit from the workshop would be actually engaging with the people and exercises involved.
We’ll / I’ll totally consider this. Though note that most of the session-minutes will be composed of practice and exercises, not of watching a lecture; and so the value of watching on YouTube would be circumscribed.
I realize these will not be very useful out of the box, but considering how a number of Stanford classes were successfully ported to long-distance format (with interactive exercises, quizzes, etc), this might be a good first step in the refinement process.
I think analyzing your performance via video is underrated outside of sports.
This is an interesting concept—I look forward to the post. Some quick notes: In my experience, people instinctively balk at being recorded, or listening/watching a recording of themselves. I think there’s something unnerving about it, and in some cases probably indicates low self-confidence. Perhaps something to do with mirror-neurons as well?
If it matters, we’ve been filming our Saturday test sessions for our own use (watching the videotapes to learn how to teach, after setting a webcam up across the room), but that’s quite different than making usable video for you-tube.
I can’t contribute much other than the raw observation :(. I’ve seen this done by a guy from Dale Carnegie who was teaching presentation skills, and noticed some benefit from watching a couple of presentations I recorded myself. I imagine the benefit would be multiplied if I was going to give this presentation again and again, like someone who is planning a curriculum ^^^.
Request/advice: please consider taping the sessions. This will be useful to:
improve them in the future
package them as courseware, possibly for sale
I agree with this.
I would rather see them for free on YouTube or something. It would help me and others decide if it was something we’d want to try out ourselves.
Without having attended one, and as someone who has been reading OB/LW ever since Eliezer started posting at OB, it seems like the largest benefit I would get out of such a thing is the social networking benefits. If I’m right, and if I’m typical, you wouldn’t be removing motivation for most potential camp attendees because they wouldn’t get the biggest benefit …person-to-person networking and friendship-building.
I’d say it was likely that those, whose motivation to attend was removed by feeling like they’d already got everything out of the camps by watching the videos, would be more than counteracted by interest raised in the camps by the videos.
Unless the videos make the camp seem boring or not worthwhile, of course!
Videotapes aren’t interactive, and it seems like the biggest benefit from the workshop would be actually engaging with the people and exercises involved.
We’ll / I’ll totally consider this. Though note that most of the session-minutes will be composed of practice and exercises, not of watching a lecture; and so the value of watching on YouTube would be circumscribed.
I realize these will not be very useful out of the box, but considering how a number of Stanford classes were successfully ported to long-distance format (with interactive exercises, quizzes, etc), this might be a good first step in the refinement process.
I think analyzing your performance via video is underrated outside of sports.
I recently started drafting a post around this exact premise! Any interest in collaborating?
This is an interesting concept—I look forward to the post. Some quick notes: In my experience, people instinctively balk at being recorded, or listening/watching a recording of themselves. I think there’s something unnerving about it, and in some cases probably indicates low self-confidence. Perhaps something to do with mirror-neurons as well?
I’m not bothered by being recorded (provided I know who is going to see the video), but I feel somewhat uncomfortable watching the video afterwards.
If it matters, we’ve been filming our Saturday test sessions for our own use (watching the videotapes to learn how to teach, after setting a webcam up across the room), but that’s quite different than making usable video for you-tube.
I can’t contribute much other than the raw observation :(. I’ve seen this done by a guy from Dale Carnegie who was teaching presentation skills, and noticed some benefit from watching a couple of presentations I recorded myself. I imagine the benefit would be multiplied if I was going to give this presentation again and again, like someone who is planning a curriculum ^^^.
Looking forward to your post!
Well, it’s potentially one vector for folks to learn how to do the practice and exercises.
In the long run, we are working anyhow to port the exercises into a form that will work well at local LW meet-ups.
Hooray!