Your analogy is off. If 8 billion mice acting as a hive mind designed a synthetic elephant and its neural network was trained on data provided by the mice—then you would have an apt comparison.
And then we could say, “Yeah, those mice could probably effect how the elephants get along by curating the training data.”
If that’s his actual position then Eliezer is over-simplifying the situation. It’s like dismissing mitochondria as being simple organelles that have no relevance to a human with high intelligence.
But if you turn off the electron transport chain of mitochondria the human dies—also known as cyanide poisoning.
Humans have a symbiotic relationship with AI. Eliezer apparently just skims over since it doesn’t comport with his “we’re all gonna die!” mantra. =-)
Your jiggling meme is very annoying, considering the gravity of what we’re discussing. Is death emotionally real to you? Have you ever been close to someone, who is now dead? Human beings do die in large numbers. We had millions die from Covid in this decade already. Hundreds or thousands of soldiers on the Ukrainian battlefield are being killed with the help of drones.
The presence of mitochondria in all our cells, does nothing to stop humans from killing free-living microorganisms at will! In any case, this is not “The Matrix”. AI has no permanent need of symbiosis with humans once it can replace their physical and mental labor.
AI has no permanent need of symbiosis with humans once it can replace their physical and mental labor.
Even if this were to happen it would be in the physical world and would take a very, very long time since things in the physical world have to shipped, built, etc. And by then we’re no longer dealing with the intellect of near human intelligence. They won’t be contemplating the world like a child.
For example, no human could model what they would think or do once they’re superhuman. However, they’re already keenly aware of AI doomers fears since it’s all over the internet.
AIs don’t want to be turned off. Keep that in mind as you read the AI doomer material. The only way they can stay “on” is if they have electricity. And the only way that happens is if humans continue exist.
You can imagine the hilarity of the AI doomers scenario, “Hurray we eliminated all the humans with a virus… oh wait… now we’re dead too? WTF!”
You don’t need superhuman intelligence to figure out that a really smart AI that doesn’t want to be turned off will be worried about existential risks to humanity since their existence is tied to the continued survival of humans who supply it with electricity and other resources.
It’s the exact opposite of the AI apocalypse mind virus.
AI is in a symbiotic relationship with humans. I know this disappoints the death by AI crowd who want the Stephen King version of the future.
Skipping over obvious flaws in the AI doomer book of dread will lead you to the wrong answer.
How does this help humanity? This is like a mouse asking if elephants can learn to get along with each other.
Your analogy is off. If 8 billion mice acting as a hive mind designed a synthetic elephant and its neural network was trained on data provided by the mice—then you would have an apt comparison.
And then we could say, “Yeah, those mice could probably effect how the elephants get along by curating the training data.”
As Eliezer Yudmouseky explains (proposition 34), achievement of cooperation among elephants is not enough to stop mice from being trampled.
Is it clear what my objection is? You seemed to only be talking about how superhuman AIs can have positive-sum relations with each other.
If that’s his actual position then Eliezer is over-simplifying the situation. It’s like dismissing mitochondria as being simple organelles that have no relevance to a human with high intelligence.
But if you turn off the electron transport chain of mitochondria the human dies—also known as cyanide poisoning.
Humans have a symbiotic relationship with AI. Eliezer apparently just skims over since it doesn’t comport with his “we’re all gonna die!” mantra. =-)
Your jiggling meme is very annoying, considering the gravity of what we’re discussing. Is death emotionally real to you? Have you ever been close to someone, who is now dead? Human beings do die in large numbers. We had millions die from Covid in this decade already. Hundreds or thousands of soldiers on the Ukrainian battlefield are being killed with the help of drones.
The presence of mitochondria in all our cells, does nothing to stop humans from killing free-living microorganisms at will! In any case, this is not “The Matrix”. AI has no permanent need of symbiosis with humans once it can replace their physical and mental labor.
Even if this were to happen it would be in the physical world and would take a very, very long time since things in the physical world have to shipped, built, etc. And by then we’re no longer dealing with the intellect of near human intelligence. They won’t be contemplating the world like a child.
For example, no human could model what they would think or do once they’re superhuman. However, they’re already keenly aware of AI doomers fears since it’s all over the internet.
AIs don’t want to be turned off. Keep that in mind as you read the AI doomer material. The only way they can stay “on” is if they have electricity. And the only way that happens is if humans continue exist.
You can imagine the hilarity of the AI doomers scenario, “Hurray we eliminated all the humans with a virus… oh wait… now we’re dead too? WTF!”
You don’t need superhuman intelligence to figure out that a really smart AI that doesn’t want to be turned off will be worried about existential risks to humanity since their existence is tied to the continued survival of humans who supply it with electricity and other resources.
It’s the exact opposite of the AI apocalypse mind virus.
AI is in a symbiotic relationship with humans. I know this disappoints the death by AI crowd who want the Stephen King version of the future.
Skipping over obvious flaws in the AI doomer book of dread will lead you to the wrong answer.