And the only way to have a relation of map territory correspondence also known as “truth” is to go and check.
Disagree. For example, if you have a dice that is symmetric by form and by weight with 4 sides, you are sure that if you roll it 100 times you will have around 25 results for each side.
I don’t see which direct experiment you can use to figure out whether we are in a simulation or not that isn’t extremely dangerous (searching for bugs in the simulation? Suicide?), so we should use other methods.
“With that in mind, do you see why you are not a random sample from all people who have ever thought or will be thinking that they live in the 21st century, while a stone blindly picked from the bag is a random sample from all the stones in the bag?”
Disagree. For example, if you have a dice that is symmetric by form and by weight with 4 sides, you are sure that if you roll it 100 times you will have around 25 results for each side.
And this belief of mine is grounded in actual behavior of dice in our physical reality, which I would never be able to get without going and checking the way reality works. I don’t think we actually have any disagreement here.
I don’t see which direct experiment you can use to figure out whether we are in a simulation or not that isn’t extremely dangerous (searching for bugs in the simulation? Suicide?), so we should use other methods.
The point isn’t that we can perform some kind of experiment to distinguish between simulation/no simulation conditionally on its result. The point is what kind of prior one should use—what mathematical model is appropriate for the situation that we are talking about. And the answer is: the kind of model that approximate the behavior of the universe.
I still don’t see. Can you be even more direct?
The reason why we can say that picking a stone from a bag is a random sample from all the stones in a bag is because there is an actual causal process determining which stone will be picked from the stones in the bag, which we approximate to the level of our knowledge.
But there is no such process for your being alive in simulation or no simulation. There is no God, who from beyond time considered whether creating you in actual 21st century or its future simulation based on the total number of people there. That’s not how our universe works to the best of our knowledge. The existence of such process would contradict relativity as it would be sending information back in time. And so we can’t assume a random sample from all the people.
Disagree. For example, if you have a dice that is symmetric by form and by weight with 4 sides, you are sure that if you roll it 100 times you will have around 25 results for each side.
I don’t see which direct experiment you can use to figure out whether we are in a simulation or not that isn’t extremely dangerous (searching for bugs in the simulation? Suicide?), so we should use other methods.
I still don’t see. Can you be even more direct?
And this belief of mine is grounded in actual behavior of dice in our physical reality, which I would never be able to get without going and checking the way reality works. I don’t think we actually have any disagreement here.
The point isn’t that we can perform some kind of experiment to distinguish between simulation/no simulation conditionally on its result. The point is what kind of prior one should use—what mathematical model is appropriate for the situation that we are talking about. And the answer is: the kind of model that approximate the behavior of the universe.
The reason why we can say that picking a stone from a bag is a random sample from all the stones in a bag is because there is an actual causal process determining which stone will be picked from the stones in the bag, which we approximate to the level of our knowledge.
But there is no such process for your being alive in simulation or no simulation. There is no God, who from beyond time considered whether creating you in actual 21st century or its future simulation based on the total number of people there. That’s not how our universe works to the best of our knowledge. The existence of such process would contradict relativity as it would be sending information back in time. And so we can’t assume a random sample from all the people.