Is the disparity between Whites and Asians killed by police significant?
In 2016 the difference is slightly stronger than the difference between Whites and Black getting killed. It’s a fact that easily knowable if you care to look for the numbers of police killings by race.
Anybody who cares enough about the issue to know the fact should know it if the can read numbers in a straightforward way instead of just trying to validate their party line.
You speak about this is a very definitive way, as if you know exactly what would work. I don’t know what would work.
You don’t know what would work because Clinton doesn’t speak about the evidence for what works. It’s not the conversation she tries to have on the subject. There’s good evidence that body camera’s do work.
The fact that creating legal structure where police can effectively prosecuted for wrongdoing seem obvious to me. I don’t have specific evidence for it, but it feels like an elephant in the room.
Evidence-based policy making and running trials to see which policies perform best is a framework that applying rationality. In fairly confident that it’s better than blaming people for having biases and hoping that they will change as a result.
I don’t have studies that validate that claim but it again seem obviously true.
I don’t think race is a factor in every police shooting.
If you think that the logical conclusion would be that Clinton was wrong when she claimed that everybody suffers from implicit bias.
That’s exactly why it’s unproductive. You don’t actually think in terms of “implicit racism” but simply use the new name to label concepts that you already knew beforehand.
Every police shooting ought to be examined based on the objective facts.
That sounds again like a rejection of using the framework of implicit bias. You don’t see evidence of implicit bias in a case by case basis. You see it when you look in aggregate on choices.
A person with implicit bias has higher availability for certain action and thus likely reacts a little faster, even if both cases result in a dead suspect.
In 2016 the difference is slightly stronger than the difference between Whites and Black getting killed. It’s a fact that easily knowable if you care to look for the numbers of police killings by race. Anybody who cares enough about the issue to know the fact should know it if the can read numbers in a straightforward way instead of just trying to validate their party line.
Do you have a preferred source?
In fairly confident that it’s better than blaming people for having biases and hoping that they will change as a result.
Who’s doing this?
If you think that the logical conclusion would be that Clinton was wrong when she claimed that everybody suffers from implicit bias.
We have implicit biases. Biases based on race are a pretty big deal in this country, historically. In my view, the level of bias in police shootings doesn’t reach any reasonable threshold to be called anything like “racism” in many, many cases.
That’s exactly why it’s unproductive. You don’t actually think in terms of “implicit racism” but simply use the new name to label concepts that you already knew beforehand.
Perhaps this is true for you. I often think about ways my view may be biased when relating to people. And then I act to better understand and, hopefully, neutralize the bias. My efforts are clumsy and likely often fail, because I’m not particularly intelligent or skilled at overcoming bias.
At any rate, the first step toward being productive in this regard is recognizing bias exists.
You don’t see evidence of implicit bias in a case by case basis.
Sure you could. I’d agree the aggregate data would be (perhaps more) revealing, but the facts of a particular case (including the video) could also tell you something about what biases might exist and how they effected the event.
I’m tapping.
What are your political leanings? I’d like to better understand our interaction by knowing how you view yourself generally on the U.S. political spectrum. Thanks.
We have implicit biases. Biases based on race are a pretty big deal in this country, historically. In my view, the level of bias in police shootings doesn’t reach any reasonable threshold to be called anything like “racism” in many, many cases.
The academic notion of implicit racism isn’t about any other threshold than statistical significance. The tool that they developed have gotten good at picking up effects in many people so the threshold is quite low and most people suffer from implicit racism.
If you reject that concept, then it doesn’t make sense to see Hillary using it as progress.
What are your political leanings? I’d like to better understand our interaction by knowing how you view yourself generally on the U.S. political spectrum.
I’m not on the U.S. political spectrum. He Facebook political status is currently “Continental”.
My formal political associations put me left of center in Berlin.
In 2016 the difference is slightly stronger than the difference between Whites and Black getting killed. It’s a fact that easily knowable if you care to look for the numbers of police killings by race. Anybody who cares enough about the issue to know the fact should know it if the can read numbers in a straightforward way instead of just trying to validate their party line.
You don’t know what would work because Clinton doesn’t speak about the evidence for what works. It’s not the conversation she tries to have on the subject. There’s good evidence that body camera’s do work.
The fact that creating legal structure where police can effectively prosecuted for wrongdoing seem obvious to me. I don’t have specific evidence for it, but it feels like an elephant in the room.
Evidence-based policy making and running trials to see which policies perform best is a framework that applying rationality. In fairly confident that it’s better than blaming people for having biases and hoping that they will change as a result. I don’t have studies that validate that claim but it again seem obviously true.
If you think that the logical conclusion would be that Clinton was wrong when she claimed that everybody suffers from implicit bias.
That’s exactly why it’s unproductive. You don’t actually think in terms of “implicit racism” but simply use the new name to label concepts that you already knew beforehand.
That sounds again like a rejection of using the framework of implicit bias. You don’t see evidence of implicit bias in a case by case basis. You see it when you look in aggregate on choices. A person with implicit bias has higher availability for certain action and thus likely reacts a little faster, even if both cases result in a dead suspect.
Do you have a preferred source?
Who’s doing this?
We have implicit biases. Biases based on race are a pretty big deal in this country, historically. In my view, the level of bias in police shootings doesn’t reach any reasonable threshold to be called anything like “racism” in many, many cases.
Perhaps this is true for you. I often think about ways my view may be biased when relating to people. And then I act to better understand and, hopefully, neutralize the bias. My efforts are clumsy and likely often fail, because I’m not particularly intelligent or skilled at overcoming bias.
At any rate, the first step toward being productive in this regard is recognizing bias exists.
Sure you could. I’d agree the aggregate data would be (perhaps more) revealing, but the facts of a particular case (including the video) could also tell you something about what biases might exist and how they effected the event.
I’m tapping.
What are your political leanings? I’d like to better understand our interaction by knowing how you view yourself generally on the U.S. political spectrum. Thanks.
I use the Guardian as the source https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database
The academic notion of implicit racism isn’t about any other threshold than statistical significance. The tool that they developed have gotten good at picking up effects in many people so the threshold is quite low and most people suffer from implicit racism.
If you reject that concept, then it doesn’t make sense to see Hillary using it as progress.
I’m not on the U.S. political spectrum. He Facebook political status is currently “Continental”. My formal political associations put me left of center in Berlin.