I’m not a chess player (have played maybe 15 normal games of chess ever) and tried playing LeelaPieceOdds on the BBNN setting. When LeelaQueenOdds was released I’d lost at Q odds several times before giving up; this time it was really fun! I played nine times and stalemated it once before finally winning, taking about 40 minutes. My sense is that information I’ve absorbed from chess books, chess streamers and the like was significantly helpful, e.g. avoid mistakes, try to trade when ahead in material, develop pieces, keep pieces defended.
I think the lesson is that a superhuman search over a large search space is much more powerful than a small one. With BBNN odds, Leela only has a queen and two rooks and after sacrificing some material to solidify and trade one of them, I’m still up 7 points and Leela won’t enough material to miraculously slip out of every trade until I blunder. By an endgame of say, KRNNB vs KR there are only a small number of possible moves for Leela and I can just check that I’m safe against each one until I win. I’d probably lose when given QN or QR, because Leela having two more pieces would increase the required ratio of simplifications to blunders.
Nice! Yeah after Leela is down to a couple of pieces the game is usually over. But I’ve had to learn not to be lazy at this point because a couple of times it managed to force a stalemate.
As a child I read everything I could get my hands on! Mostly a couple of Silman’s books. The appeal to me was quantifying and systematizing strategy, not chess itself (which I bounced off in favor of sports and math contests). E.g. the idea of exploiting imbalances, or planning by backchaining, or some of the specific skills like putting your knights in the right place.
I found these more interesting than Go books in this respect, both due to Silman’s writing style and because Go is such a complicated game filled with exceptions that Go books get bogged down in specifics.
I’m not a chess player (have played maybe 15 normal games of chess ever) and tried playing LeelaPieceOdds on the BBNN setting. When LeelaQueenOdds was released I’d lost at Q odds several times before giving up; this time it was really fun! I played nine times and stalemated it once before finally winning, taking about 40 minutes. My sense is that information I’ve absorbed from chess books, chess streamers and the like was significantly helpful, e.g. avoid mistakes, try to trade when ahead in material, develop pieces, keep pieces defended.
I think the lesson is that a superhuman search over a large search space is much more powerful than a small one. With BBNN odds, Leela only has a queen and two rooks and after sacrificing some material to solidify and trade one of them, I’m still up 7 points and Leela won’t enough material to miraculously slip out of every trade until I blunder. By an endgame of say, KRNNB vs KR there are only a small number of possible moves for Leela and I can just check that I’m safe against each one until I win. I’d probably lose when given QN or QR, because Leela having two more pieces would increase the required ratio of simplifications to blunders.
Nice! Yeah after Leela is down to a couple of pieces the game is usually over. But I’ve had to learn not to be lazy at this point because a couple of times it managed to force a stalemate.
Why have you read chess books?
As a child I read everything I could get my hands on! Mostly a couple of Silman’s books. The appeal to me was quantifying and systematizing strategy, not chess itself (which I bounced off in favor of sports and math contests). E.g. the idea of exploiting imbalances, or planning by backchaining, or some of the specific skills like putting your knights in the right place.
I found these more interesting than Go books in this respect, both due to Silman’s writing style and because Go is such a complicated game filled with exceptions that Go books get bogged down in specifics.