I read the whole thing, and I did enjoy it. In the back of my mind, I was also relating it to my own inner model, and maybe it would be useful to compare the two.
As you mentioned, there are similarities between your model, and Spiral Dynamics. You mentioned ‘gears’, that you want something different, and I was wondering if that could be related to your main cognitive function (From MBTI). My point is that even if someone is on the same Stage, and have the same level of understanding, the crucial ‘insight’ might look, sound and/or be expressed wholly differently.
Similarly to the “The “Wise” Men And The Elephant”, if we not only have different experiences and lives, but also different modes/cognitive functions, not only are we describing a different part of something, but the way we are doing it is also wholly different.
I guess it would interest me to know which main personality-traits you have in MBTI, as that would then be a help in my own personal development, and it would be easier for me to relate. I assume a forum dedicated to rationality is centered around ‘Thinking’, but that isn’t necessarily the case. As you point out in your model, the earlier stages can simplify and reduce complexity without actually gronking it, so in the same way saying ‘Thinking’ things If I want to develop those parts of myself, I could measure those aspects of myself to the map you have created, and now more accurately where I stand.
Thanks for the reply. Knowing that does make it easier for me to innerly relate to what you have written. I am also reflecting on how I ended up on this forum, and what I want to do here, and since this is the springboard to that reflection, I wanted to start by asking that.
As an ENTP, I do value congruity and having a solid inner platform to direct action, thoughts and moral. Still, I am not much of a theorycrafter, I tend to see the ‘essence’ of things early, and then put them into my applied and evolving matrix of understanding, without tending as much to formulate every single piece and making it so that it fits. I do that in relationships, but not with theories of thought.
When I read your text, I do feel a gentle tug in myself. It is like you build this inner castle of understanding—you really gronk it—and it is an exercise well worth the endeavour. Even though it doesn’t necessarily means you can apply it everywhere, like build a house, fix a relationship, hold trauma, etc, I have this kindness for it; like it has been made out of clay, and it is beautiful. Not that it is weak, per say, but it is a bit.. distanced and without expressive emotions. It is not without emotion, they are just the more mental, Introverted thinking ones, like clarity, understanding, acceptance, thoughtfulness and solidity of mental being and thought.
So I am grateful that you shared, and also a bit confused (not causally related) about my place here. Reading yours, and also others’ theories and understandings, I am not sure I trust myself not to come across as.. harsh in my directness and unyielding in my pursuit of application. In a way you seem to treasure this work in a way I do not.
That is a bit distressing, but I believe you at least hold your own ideas with the needed compassion and care, even though I am more sloppy. Which is good to know, as I believe it deserves that kind of attention.
Hello G Gordon Worley lll,
I read the whole thing, and I did enjoy it. In the back of my mind, I was also relating it to my own inner model, and maybe it would be useful to compare the two.
As you mentioned, there are similarities between your model, and Spiral Dynamics. You mentioned ‘gears’, that you want something different, and I was wondering if that could be related to your main cognitive function (From MBTI). My point is that even if someone is on the same Stage, and have the same level of understanding, the crucial ‘insight’ might look, sound and/or be expressed wholly differently.
Similarly to the “The “Wise” Men And The Elephant”, if we not only have different experiences and lives, but also different modes/cognitive functions, not only are we describing a different part of something, but the way we are doing it is also wholly different.
I guess it would interest me to know which main personality-traits you have in MBTI, as that would then be a help in my own personal development, and it would be easier for me to relate. I assume a forum dedicated to rationality is centered around ‘Thinking’, but that isn’t necessarily the case. As you point out in your model, the earlier stages can simplify and reduce complexity without actually gronking it, so in the same way saying ‘Thinking’ things If I want to develop those parts of myself, I could measure those aspects of myself to the map you have created, and now more accurately where I stand.
Kindly,
Caerulea-Lawrence
I generally score INTP on MBTI.
Thanks for the reply. Knowing that does make it easier for me to innerly relate to what you have written. I am also reflecting on how I ended up on this forum, and what I want to do here, and since this is the springboard to that reflection, I wanted to start by asking that.
As an ENTP, I do value congruity and having a solid inner platform to direct action, thoughts and moral. Still, I am not much of a theorycrafter, I tend to see the ‘essence’ of things early, and then put them into my applied and evolving matrix of understanding, without tending as much to formulate every single piece and making it so that it fits. I do that in relationships, but not with theories of thought.
When I read your text, I do feel a gentle tug in myself. It is like you build this inner castle of understanding—you really gronk it—and it is an exercise well worth the endeavour. Even though it doesn’t necessarily means you can apply it everywhere, like build a house, fix a relationship, hold trauma, etc, I have this kindness for it; like it has been made out of clay, and it is beautiful.
Not that it is weak, per say, but it is a bit.. distanced and without expressive emotions. It is not without emotion, they are just the more mental, Introverted thinking ones, like clarity, understanding, acceptance, thoughtfulness and solidity of mental being and thought.
So I am grateful that you shared, and also a bit confused (not causally related) about my place here. Reading yours, and also others’ theories and understandings, I am not sure I trust myself not to come across as.. harsh in my directness and unyielding in my pursuit of application. In a way you seem to treasure this work in a way I do not.
That is a bit distressing, but I believe you at least hold your own ideas with the needed compassion and care, even though I am more sloppy. Which is good to know, as I believe it deserves that kind of attention.