You’re making strong personal claims about Aella and the commenters without providing enough evidence. By jumping to your conclusions and implying that the evidence is obvious, you’re violating community norms of politeness and process.
Geoff’s one tweet has enough context for me to see it as a likely example of frame control, so I think Aella has given adequate support for her claim, though it’s still possible to disagree with her analysis or ask for more supporting evidence.
It just seems crazy that I can point out that Aella is being manipulative and you guys are easily-fooled, I get a bunch of well-written and thoughtful replies telling me I am wrong and a jerk, I almost convince myself that you are right, but under closer examination what you say is completely hypocritical and applies to Aella’s post too.
And other people in the comments can point out that Aella’s post is doing literally the thing she describes in her post.… and this is just of intellectual interest to you guys? Like, it’s not actually making you examine your metacognition at all? There is a total disconnect here.
This is supposed to be a rationality forum but it seems you guys barely update on anything, don’t really think critically, and mostly just shuffle around ingroup ideas that have been validated by [Eliezer, Aella, Scott Alexander] or whoever is in the ingroup these days and somehow don’t really notice it.
I think this forum is mainly interesting as a case-study in cult behaviour, avoidant thinking, and sociopath mind-control.
Isn’t Aella doing exactly that here?
Why is this OK? If the community is so easily hypocritical then isn’t this just proving my point?
Geoff’s one tweet has enough context for me to see it as a likely example of frame control, so I think Aella has given adequate support for her claim, though it’s still possible to disagree with her analysis or ask for more supporting evidence.
It just seems crazy that I can point out that Aella is being manipulative and you guys are easily-fooled, I get a bunch of well-written and thoughtful replies telling me I am wrong and a jerk, I almost convince myself that you are right, but under closer examination what you say is completely hypocritical and applies to Aella’s post too.
And other people in the comments can point out that Aella’s post is doing literally the thing she describes in her post.… and this is just of intellectual interest to you guys? Like, it’s not actually making you examine your metacognition at all? There is a total disconnect here.
This is supposed to be a rationality forum but it seems you guys barely update on anything, don’t really think critically, and mostly just shuffle around ingroup ideas that have been validated by [Eliezer, Aella, Scott Alexander] or whoever is in the ingroup these days and somehow don’t really notice it.
I think this forum is mainly interesting as a case-study in cult behaviour, avoidant thinking, and sociopath mind-control.
Nice try.