Are you arguing that the distinction between objective and subjective are “very unhelpful,” because the state of people’s subjective beliefs are technically an objective fact of the world?
It’s unhelpful due to a an implicit (and in our case somewhat explicit) assumption that “subjective” and “objective” are in opposition to each other. That it’s two different magisteriums and things are either one or the other.
why don’t you argue that all similar categorizations are unhelpful, e.g. map vs. territory
Map and territory framework lacks this assumption. It’s core insight is that maps can and indeed quite often are embedded in the territory. Of course if one does not understand it and uses “map and territory” simply as synonyms to “subjective and objective” then it doesn’t matter which terms are used and they are equally unhelpful.
To me, it looks like the blogger (Coel) is trying to say that morality is a fact about what we humans want, rather than a fact of the universe which can be deduced independently from what anyone wants.
My opinion is Coel makes this clear when he explains, “Subjective does not mean unimportant.” “Subjective does not mean arbitrary.” “Subjective does not mean that anyone’s opinion is “just as good”.”
“Separate magisteriums” seems to refer to dualism, where people believe that their consciousness/mind exists outside the laws of physics, and cannot be explained by the laws of physics.
But my opinion is Coel didn’t imply that subjective facts are a “separate magisterium” in opposition to objective facts. He said that subjective morals are explained by objective facts: “Our feelings and attitudes are rooted in human nature, being a product of our evolutionary heritage, programmed by genes. None of that is arbitrary.”
But I’m often wrong about these things don’t take me too seriously :/
It’s unhelpful due to a an implicit (and in our case somewhat explicit) assumption that “subjective” and “objective” are in opposition to each other. That it’s two different magisteriums and things are either one or the other.
Map and territory framework lacks this assumption. It’s core insight is that maps can and indeed quite often are embedded in the territory. Of course if one does not understand it and uses “map and territory” simply as synonyms to “subjective and objective” then it doesn’t matter which terms are used and they are equally unhelpful.
To me, it looks like the blogger (Coel) is trying to say that morality is a fact about what we humans want, rather than a fact of the universe which can be deduced independently from what anyone wants.
My opinion is Coel makes this clear when he explains, “Subjective does not mean unimportant.” “Subjective does not mean arbitrary.” “Subjective does not mean that anyone’s opinion is “just as good”.”
“Separate magisteriums” seems to refer to dualism, where people believe that their consciousness/mind exists outside the laws of physics, and cannot be explained by the laws of physics.
But my opinion is Coel didn’t imply that subjective facts are a “separate magisterium” in opposition to objective facts. He said that subjective morals are explained by objective facts: “Our feelings and attitudes are rooted in human nature, being a product of our evolutionary heritage, programmed by genes. None of that is arbitrary.”
But I’m often wrong about these things don’t take me too seriously :/