@davekasten why do you think her tweets are their “top leadership priority.” I work at PauseAI US, and the top priority now is mobilizing our volunteers across the country to meet with Congressional Offices in their home districts.
But yes, she does confront people who join AI companies with the idea that it is personally, and morally wrong to do this, especially when the individual believes there is a serious chance the companies will destroy humanity. And I agree with this claim. And I would further extend it not just to the AI researchers, but the sales team and the design team too. All of them could get jobs somewhere else, they are not stuck working at AI companies.
What… are you doing here? This is not a reply to Dave’s comment. Holly of course does much more than “But yes, she does confront people who join AI companies with the idea that it is personally” and this is pretty obviously not what Dave was talking about.
It seems quite clear to me Holly is behaving unacceptably as a representative of at least my interests. Maybe disagree with this characterization, but don’t give this half-assed dishonest deflection. At least try to respond directly!
Alvaro, to be clear, are you defending the highly-personal attacks that Holly has engaged in against me, against Zvi, and against Amanda Askell? And if you endorse those attacks, are you doing so in your personal or professional capacity? Here are some clear examples:
She’s repeatedly and obsessively attacked me for daring to go to a conference that Anthropic employees were at—despite the fact that many, many other AI safety people were there as well. (See, e.g., https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/2004416440263164412 ). She has repeatedly claimed that I am equivalent to a supporter of chattel slavery (see, e.g., https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/2004660356212269300 ) and does weird creepy pseudo-psychological analyses of my motivations (see that previous tweet, or many of our other interactions; she’s even quoted the Bible at me at one point).
And it’s not just me; for example, her attacks on Amanda Askell were so unwarranted that Eliezer Yudkowsky spoke up to say he opposed them (https://x.com/allTheYud/status/2028747691690242328?s=20), she’s attacked people who work for ARI (some of AI safety’s strongest soldiers on the Hill), etc.
Many people have asked her to stop this behavior, or tried to communicate to PauseAI US and Global why it’s so hard for us to work with all of you when your boss constantly attacks us in such an unwarranted, vile, personal way. And despite that, I still tell people that PauseAI US is worth donating to if it matches their values, because I’m trying very hard to avoid her bruising personal attacks to affect my values and beliefs. And frankly, it’s especially shitty in that context that you, who are (at least according to LinkedIn), the Development Director for PauseAI US, stick up for your boss treating me so awfully.
This additional info was very helpful to understand your view. Maybe you could have included it earlier and not just in your second reply. I first thought you were just pissed that Holly criticizes you when in fact your problem with her is the hurtful and unfair way in which she communicates those criticisms.
I get the impression from your first reply that you think that this is immediately obvious when one looks at her twitter profile. To me, it wasn’t. And @Caleb Biddulph’s reply looks to me like it also wasn’t obvious to Caleb.
@davekasten why do you think her tweets are their “top leadership priority.” I work at PauseAI US, and the top priority now is mobilizing our volunteers across the country to meet with Congressional Offices in their home districts.
But yes, she does confront people who join AI companies with the idea that it is personally, and morally wrong to do this, especially when the individual believes there is a serious chance the companies will destroy humanity. And I agree with this claim. And I would further extend it not just to the AI researchers, but the sales team and the design team too. All of them could get jobs somewhere else, they are not stuck working at AI companies.
What… are you doing here? This is not a reply to Dave’s comment. Holly of course does much more than “But yes, she does confront people who join AI companies with the idea that it is personally” and this is pretty obviously not what Dave was talking about.
It seems quite clear to me Holly is behaving unacceptably as a representative of at least my interests. Maybe disagree with this characterization, but don’t give this half-assed dishonest deflection. At least try to respond directly!
Alvaro, to be clear, are you defending the highly-personal attacks that Holly has engaged in against me, against Zvi, and against Amanda Askell? And if you endorse those attacks, are you doing so in your personal or professional capacity? Here are some clear examples:
Perhaps somehow the item above about Holly making it clear that her tweets are PauseAI US’s strategy (https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/2070746368910520506) is insufficient. On many other occasions, Holly insists that she will “continue to berate” (https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/2021384678205444511) others and that she will be “merciless” (https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/2024337483572662487) in doing so.
She’s repeatedly and obsessively attacked me for daring to go to a conference that Anthropic employees were at—despite the fact that many, many other AI safety people were there as well. (See, e.g., https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/2004416440263164412 ). She has repeatedly claimed that I am equivalent to a supporter of chattel slavery (see, e.g., https://x.com/ilex_ulmus/status/2004660356212269300 ) and does weird creepy pseudo-psychological analyses of my motivations (see that previous tweet, or many of our other interactions; she’s even quoted the Bible at me at one point).
And it’s not just me; for example, her attacks on Amanda Askell were so unwarranted that Eliezer Yudkowsky spoke up to say he opposed them (https://x.com/allTheYud/status/2028747691690242328?s=20), she’s attacked people who work for ARI (some of AI safety’s strongest soldiers on the Hill), etc.
Many people have asked her to stop this behavior, or tried to communicate to PauseAI US and Global why it’s so hard for us to work with all of you when your boss constantly attacks us in such an unwarranted, vile, personal way. And despite that, I still tell people that PauseAI US is worth donating to if it matches their values, because I’m trying very hard to avoid her bruising personal attacks to affect my values and beliefs. And frankly, it’s especially shitty in that context that you, who are (at least according to LinkedIn), the Development Director for PauseAI US, stick up for your boss treating me so awfully.
This additional info was very helpful to understand your view. Maybe you could have included it earlier and not just in your second reply. I first thought you were just pissed that Holly criticizes you when in fact your problem with her is the hurtful and unfair way in which she communicates those criticisms.
I get the impression from your first reply that you think that this is immediately obvious when one looks at her twitter profile. To me, it wasn’t. And @Caleb Biddulph’s reply looks to me like it also wasn’t obvious to Caleb.