Ok I’m getting downvoted to oblivion because of this, so let me clarify:
So I guess the question is whether you prefer being in an epistemic environment that has declared war on humans or an epistemic environment that has declared war on farm animals.
If, like NinetyThree, you decide to give up on untangling the question for yourself because of all the lying (“I would describe my epistemic status as “not really open to persuasion”″), then you still have to make decisions, which in practice means following some side in the conflict, and the most common side is the carnist side which has the problems I mention.
I don’t want to be in a situation where I have to give up on untangling the question (see my top-level comment proposing a research community), but if I’m being honest I can’t exactly say that it’s invalid for NinetyThree to do so.
I understood NinetyThree to be talking about vegans lying about issues of health (as Elizabeth was also focusing on), not about the facts of animal suffering. If you agree with the arguments on the animal cruelty side and your uncertainty is focused on the health effects on you of a vegan diet vs your current one (which you have 1st hand data on), it doesn’t really matter what the meat industry is saying as that wasn’t a factor in the first place
Maybe. I pattern-matched it this way because I had previously been discussing psychological sex differences with Ninety-Three on discord, where he adopted the HBD views on them due to a perception that psychologists were biased, but he wasn’t interested in making arguments or in me doing followup studies to test it. So I assumed a similar thing was going on here with respect to eating animals.
Ok I’m getting downvoted to oblivion because of this, so let me clarify:
If, like NinetyThree, you decide to give up on untangling the question for yourself because of all the lying (“I would describe my epistemic status as “not really open to persuasion”″), then you still have to make decisions, which in practice means following some side in the conflict, and the most common side is the carnist side which has the problems I mention.
I don’t want to be in a situation where I have to give up on untangling the question (see my top-level comment proposing a research community), but if I’m being honest I can’t exactly say that it’s invalid for NinetyThree to do so.
I understood NinetyThree to be talking about vegans lying about issues of health (as Elizabeth was also focusing on), not about the facts of animal suffering. If you agree with the arguments on the animal cruelty side and your uncertainty is focused on the health effects on you of a vegan diet vs your current one (which you have 1st hand data on), it doesn’t really matter what the meat industry is saying as that wasn’t a factor in the first place
Maybe. I pattern-matched it this way because I had previously been discussing psychological sex differences with Ninety-Three on discord, where he adopted the HBD views on them due to a perception that psychologists were biased, but he wasn’t interested in making arguments or in me doing followup studies to test it. So I assumed a similar thing was going on here with respect to eating animals.