Can you give a few examples (in-context on HN or Stack Exchange) of subtextual impoliteness that you wish were enforceable? It’s unfortunate but true that the culture/norm of many young-male-dominated technical forums can’t distinguish direct factual statements from aggressive framing.
I generally agree with “no good path forward” as an assessment: the bullies and insecure people who exist everywhere (even if not the majority) are very good at finding loopholes and deniable behaviors in any legible enforcement framework.
“Please be kind” works well in many places, or “you may be right, but that hurt my feelings”. But really, that requires high-trust to start with, and if it’s not already a norm, it’s very difficult to make it one.
Can you give a few examples (in-context on HN or Stack Exchange) of subtextual impoliteness that you wish were enforceable?
Here are a two: 1, 2. /r/poker is also littered with it. Example.
I’m failing to easily find examples on Stack Exchange but I definitely know I’ve come across a bunch. Some that I’ve flagged. I tried looking for a way to see a list of comments you’ve flagged, but I wasn’t able to figure it out.
Thanks—yeah, those seem mild enough that I doubt there’s any possible mechanism to eliminate the snarky/rude/annoying parts, at least in a group much larger than Dunbar’s number with no additional social filtering (like in-person requirements for at least some interactions, or non-anonymous invite/expulsion mechanisms).
Can you give a few examples (in-context on HN or Stack Exchange) of subtextual impoliteness that you wish were enforceable? It’s unfortunate but true that the culture/norm of many young-male-dominated technical forums can’t distinguish direct factual statements from aggressive framing.
I generally agree with “no good path forward” as an assessment: the bullies and insecure people who exist everywhere (even if not the majority) are very good at finding loopholes and deniable behaviors in any legible enforcement framework.
“Please be kind” works well in many places, or “you may be right, but that hurt my feelings”. But really, that requires high-trust to start with, and if it’s not already a norm, it’s very difficult to make it one.
Here are a two: 1, 2. /r/poker is also littered with it. Example.
I’m failing to easily find examples on Stack Exchange but I definitely know I’ve come across a bunch. Some that I’ve flagged. I tried looking for a way to see a list of comments you’ve flagged, but I wasn’t able to figure it out.
Thanks—yeah, those seem mild enough that I doubt there’s any possible mechanism to eliminate the snarky/rude/annoying parts, at least in a group much larger than Dunbar’s number with no additional social filtering (like in-person requirements for at least some interactions, or non-anonymous invite/expulsion mechanisms).