kicking someone out of a community is much less serious; they can keep living in the same apartment, have their kids go to the same schools, etc.
this is true if by ‘community’ you mean, like, a bridge club (or philosophy fan forum). but it’s dangerously false if you mean something more like ‘mormonism’. the way the rest of the post is written, it seems like you want ‘community’ to be more like the latter—i don’t think a bridge club is an offering competitive with a country.
there are certain things that a (higher involvement) community can offer that are incompatible with excommunication being unserious.
by community i mean centrally things like mormonism. i don’t care about bridge clubs. being kicked out of mormonism is a lot less serious than being kicked out of the US. for one, you don’t have to immediately vacate your location of residence. if you work somewhere that isn’t Mormon controlled, you don’t have to terminate your employment, whereas you would no longer have legal work authorization for if you ceased being a citizen. if you don’t have a dual citizenship, you would become stateless, which extremely sucks and can trap you in legal limbo for years if not forever.
It sounds like one relevant concept is civil society institutions, which includes religious groups but also charities, clubs, activist groups, volunteer organizations, trade unions, blogging circles, etc.; broadly, all the social institutions that are not government or business.
this is true if by ‘community’ you mean, like, a bridge club (or philosophy fan forum). but it’s dangerously false if you mean something more like ‘mormonism’. the way the rest of the post is written, it seems like you want ‘community’ to be more like the latter—i don’t think a bridge club is an offering competitive with a country.
there are certain things that a (higher involvement) community can offer that are incompatible with excommunication being unserious.
by community i mean centrally things like mormonism. i don’t care about bridge clubs. being kicked out of mormonism is a lot less serious than being kicked out of the US. for one, you don’t have to immediately vacate your location of residence. if you work somewhere that isn’t Mormon controlled, you don’t have to terminate your employment, whereas you would no longer have legal work authorization for if you ceased being a citizen. if you don’t have a dual citizenship, you would become stateless, which extremely sucks and can trap you in legal limbo for years if not forever.
It sounds like one relevant concept is civil society institutions, which includes religious groups but also charities, clubs, activist groups, volunteer organizations, trade unions, blogging circles, etc.; broadly, all the social institutions that are not government or business.