I think I was mislead by the words “gradually” and “community” in option 3. I think that direct opposition to the bad actions as distinct option. It does improve the community (by removing the bad), and I guess it’s gradual because there’s always more, but it didn’t feel the same to me.
I don’t claim it’s trivial, but it’s not impossible—you know about the problem, because it’s the problem you’re reacting to! “the criminals who do X are not part of our community—everyone please shun them” is a minimum, and in some cases you can follow up with actual specifics.
Note—I don’t have any significant public presence, so I may be severely underestimating the complexity. I still think the discovery problem is inversely correlated with the severity of the problem itself. Note also that I’m not paying much attention to EA forum, so if there is a specific problem that this is generalizing from (which is implied but not explained in the EA comments), it may be different from the examples available to me.
I think I was mislead by the words “gradually” and “community” in option 3. I think that direct opposition to the bad actions as distinct option. It does improve the community (by removing the bad), and I guess it’s gradual because there’s always more, but it didn’t feel the same to me.
I don’t claim it’s trivial, but it’s not impossible—you know about the problem, because it’s the problem you’re reacting to! “the criminals who do X are not part of our community—everyone please shun them” is a minimum, and in some cases you can follow up with actual specifics.
Note—I don’t have any significant public presence, so I may be severely underestimating the complexity. I still think the discovery problem is inversely correlated with the severity of the problem itself. Note also that I’m not paying much attention to EA forum, so if there is a specific problem that this is generalizing from (which is implied but not explained in the EA comments), it may be different from the examples available to me.