Neither Said (who was actually present in the conversation) nor Zack (who was spiritually present and being invoked and very much at the forefront of my mind) seems to me to ever bother with the sixth guideline/split-and-commit, and more locally Zack was not bothering with it in his post in any genuinely substantive way, and Said was similarly not bothering with it in his back-and-forth with me.
“My conversational partner is willing to flex their sixth guideline muscles from time to time” is a prerequisite for my sustained/enthusiastic participation in a conversation.
In my experience, Said is pretty good at not jumping to conclusions in the ‘putting words in their mouth’ sense, tho in the opposite direction from how your guideline 6 suggests. Like, my model of Said tries to have a hole where the confusions are, instead of filling it with a distribution over lots of guesses.
I remember at one point pressing him on the “but why don’t you just guess and get it right tho” point, but couldn’t quickly find it; I think I might have been thinking of this thread on Zetetic Explanation. I don’t use his style, but it does seem coherent to me and I’m reluctant to declare it outside the bounds of rational conversation, and more than once have used Said as the target audience for a post.
“My conversational partner is willing to flex their sixth guideline muscles from time to time” is a prerequisite for my sustained/enthusiastic participation in a conversation.
This seems right and fair to me, and I think you and others feeling this way is a huge force behind the “we’re going to try to make LW fun again” moderation push of the last ~5 years.
Another way to say this:
Neither Said (who was actually present in the conversation) nor Zack (who was spiritually present and being invoked and very much at the forefront of my mind) seems to me to ever bother with the sixth guideline/split-and-commit, and more locally Zack was not bothering with it in his post in any genuinely substantive way, and Said was similarly not bothering with it in his back-and-forth with me.
“My conversational partner is willing to flex their sixth guideline muscles from time to time” is a prerequisite for my sustained/enthusiastic participation in a conversation.
In my experience, Said is pretty good at not jumping to conclusions in the ‘putting words in their mouth’ sense, tho in the opposite direction from how your guideline 6 suggests. Like, my model of Said tries to have a hole where the confusions are, instead of filling it with a distribution over lots of guesses.
I remember at one point pressing him on the “but why don’t you just guess and get it right tho” point, but couldn’t quickly find it; I think I might have been thinking of this thread on Zetetic Explanation. I don’t use his style, but it does seem coherent to me and I’m reluctant to declare it outside the bounds of rational conversation, and more than once have used Said as the target audience for a post.
This seems right and fair to me, and I think you and others feeling this way is a huge force behind the “we’re going to try to make LW fun again” moderation push of the last ~5 years.