Eg for the china stuff I wrote the following earlier: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tDkYdyJSqe3DddtK4/alexander-gietelink-oldenziel-s-shortform?commentId=LQtg5EtEKKpYJJJfP
Eg for the china stuff I wrote the following earlier: https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/tDkYdyJSqe3DddtK4/alexander-gietelink-oldenziel-s-shortform?commentId=LQtg5EtEKKpYJJJfP