Aurini made a mistake. He apologized for it. But his mistake is not representative of LessWrongers who believe ideas about human biodiversity are plausible or likely or perhaps have an interest in the topic.
I know you perceive them as political enemies, but hey you are usually civil about this. You are pulling some passive aggressive stuff recently tho and I think I need to call you out on it. If you want people who consider HBD plausible gone, you can just say it directly. Perhaps even make a list of names and post it asking posters to down vote them.
I’m sure we will leave if you do this. We might not be happy about it though.
We must stay and fight. The accusers of racism are the true racists: they think by ignoring the differences the differences will go away, but to ignore the differences is fake egalitarianism that makes the less capable worse off then they would be if we acknowledged the differences and we could allow for them.
I’m sorry your nick is a bit ifffy so I’m not sure as to your sincerity. If you are don’t worry, eventually this will clear up with future participation. Just in case you are not a troll, I wrote this out.
I do agree that the fake egalitarianism of insisting we treat people decently because they are objectively all the same, instead of that simply being the right thing to do, is really dangerous in the long term, if society one day realizes they aren’t objectively all the same according to most measures and damaging in the short run because it least to things like bad education policies or dehumanizing people society decides to scapegoat for some differences.
This however is far from only being a problem with “race”, it turns up in many different places and on different issues. Class, gender… It even exists in lesser measure with individual differences.
We must stay and fight.
Here I kind of disagree. I don’t see this as a war with sides, that attitude is perhaps useful if you are doing politics in the comment section of a news site, but not that great when it comes to participating here. I see this as more a interesting solvable question that has some unfortunate signalling and politics mixed in. I take the LW community at its face value and so far it surprisingly seldomly disappoints in being a place genuinely interested in truth. I always try hard to make sure that if anyone is going tribal and being mindkilled it isn’t me, especially since “HBD fans” like me may still turn out to be wrong (check out some of the criticism raised by Chuck at Occidentalist).
So lets keep away from the fighting words and try being genuinely curious about the outcome. Also if people want us to leave so much worse for them, they don’t own rationality and by refusing to judge ideas on their own merits they are shooting themselves in the foot.
Those not shooting themselves in the foot might find races easier to win.
Yes, we’ve seen how “HBD” plays out on LessWrong lately.
Stop doing that. ｏ( ><)o
Aurini made a mistake. He apologized for it. But his mistake is not representative of LessWrongers who believe ideas about human biodiversity are plausible or likely or perhaps have an interest in the topic.
I know you perceive them as political enemies, but hey you are usually civil about this. You are pulling some passive aggressive stuff recently tho and I think I need to call you out on it. If you want people who consider HBD plausible gone, you can just say it directly. Perhaps even make a list of names and post it asking posters to down vote them.
I’m sure we will leave if you do this. We might not be happy about it though.
We must stay and fight. The accusers of racism are the true racists: they think by ignoring the differences the differences will go away, but to ignore the differences is fake egalitarianism that makes the less capable worse off then they would be if we acknowledged the differences and we could allow for them.
I like your posts here.
I’m sorry your nick is a bit ifffy so I’m not sure as to your sincerity. If you are don’t worry, eventually this will clear up with future participation. Just in case you are not a troll, I wrote this out.
I do agree that the fake egalitarianism of insisting we treat people decently because they are objectively all the same, instead of that simply being the right thing to do, is really dangerous in the long term, if society one day realizes they aren’t objectively all the same according to most measures and damaging in the short run because it least to things like bad education policies or dehumanizing people society decides to scapegoat for some differences.
This however is far from only being a problem with “race”, it turns up in many different places and on different issues. Class, gender… It even exists in lesser measure with individual differences.
Here I kind of disagree. I don’t see this as a war with sides, that attitude is perhaps useful if you are doing politics in the comment section of a news site, but not that great when it comes to participating here. I see this as more a interesting solvable question that has some unfortunate signalling and politics mixed in. I take the LW community at its face value and so far it surprisingly seldomly disappoints in being a place genuinely interested in truth. I always try hard to make sure that if anyone is going tribal and being mindkilled it isn’t me, especially since “HBD fans” like me may still turn out to be wrong (check out some of the criticism raised by Chuck at Occidentalist).
So lets keep away from the fighting words and try being genuinely curious about the outcome. Also if people want us to leave so much worse for them, they don’t own rationality and by refusing to judge ideas on their own merits they are shooting themselves in the foot.
Those not shooting themselves in the foot might find races easier to win.
My fourth comment on LessWrong from over 2 years ago.