I also watched Constantin’s Double-Crux, and feel that most of my understanding of how the process works comes from that observation rather than any posts including Duncan’s. I also agree that her post of results, while excellent, does not do the job of explaining the process that was done by watching the process live. I wonder to what extent having an audience made the process unfold in a way that was easier to follow; on the surface both of them were ignoring us, and as hamnox says they were not trying to respond to our possible concerns, but I still got the instinctive sense that having people watching was making the process better or at least easier to parse.
The topic of that Crux was especially good for a demonstration, in that it involved a lot of disagreements over models, facts and probabilities. The underlying disagreements did not boil down to questions of philosophy.
I do think that finding out that the difference does boil down to philosophy or epistemology is a success mode rather than a failure mode—you’ve successfully identified important disagreements you can talk about now or another time, and ruled out other causes, so you don’t waste further time arguing over things that won’t change minds. It’s an unhint: You now think you’re worse off than you thought you were before, but you’re actually better off than you actually were.
It also points to the suggestion that if you’re frequently having important disagreements that boil down to philosophy, perhaps you should do more philosophy!
Strong agreement that identifying important root disagreements is success rather than failure. If people on opposite sides of the abortion debate got themselves boiled all the way down to virtue ethics vs. utilitarianism or some other similar thing, this would be miles better than current demonization and misunderstanding.
I also watched Constantin’s Double-Crux, and feel that most of my understanding of how the process works comes from that observation rather than any posts including Duncan’s. I also agree that her post of results, while excellent, does not do the job of explaining the process that was done by watching the process live. I wonder to what extent having an audience made the process unfold in a way that was easier to follow; on the surface both of them were ignoring us, and as hamnox says they were not trying to respond to our possible concerns, but I still got the instinctive sense that having people watching was making the process better or at least easier to parse.
The topic of that Crux was especially good for a demonstration, in that it involved a lot of disagreements over models, facts and probabilities. The underlying disagreements did not boil down to questions of philosophy.
I do think that finding out that the difference does boil down to philosophy or epistemology is a success mode rather than a failure mode—you’ve successfully identified important disagreements you can talk about now or another time, and ruled out other causes, so you don’t waste further time arguing over things that won’t change minds. It’s an unhint: You now think you’re worse off than you thought you were before, but you’re actually better off than you actually were.
It also points to the suggestion that if you’re frequently having important disagreements that boil down to philosophy, perhaps you should do more philosophy!
Strong agreement that identifying important root disagreements is success rather than failure. If people on opposite sides of the abortion debate got themselves boiled all the way down to virtue ethics vs. utilitarianism or some other similar thing, this would be miles better than current demonization and misunderstanding.