A certain type of person tends to respond with antipathy to wide appeals to empathy. I imagine they dislike the subtext that it’s shameful that they don’t feel a certain way. Something Yaroslav Granowski said fit this pattern:
To me it feels like you appeal to the pity and guilt of the priveliged
To me, it didn’t seem like the post bade for my guilt at all, but he seemed to perceive that quite strongly, to the point of engaging it’s author.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people like Yaroslav feeling the way they do. Yes, it feels provocative to engage with. But you don’t gain anything for raging at them.
There are many, many people who share the values you promote here on Lesswrong (me included). There are also those who don’t. Posting will expose us to both. This is one place where we (try to) accept this, despite the discomfort it brings.
I do believe there is an audience receptive to your sentiment on Lesswrong. It just might take a few tries. I wish you the best of luck.
Thanks ceba, for this rational and thoughtful message and encouragement.
To your point of there is nothing wrong with people having their own feelings, in general, yes.
But I guess I was holding LW to a higher standard than general population, where people are actually trying, as they intended, to get less wrong.
I will admit it is enraging to see someone that cloaks themselves in a rationalist mindset when the thing they are doing is the exact opposite.
Especially after I actually politely challenge their presumption and explain my angle first.
However, I do have to point out a flaw in you saying that I don’t gain anything for raging at them.
Actually I do, and I did, gain your opinion on this matter, and I am truly grateful for people like you.
And I found that sometimes, the only way to let others know your opinion on them is not through polite response. As the politer you are, the less some will take your opinion seriously.
Otherwise, the politicians that provides the most rational and truthful arguements would always be in power, not the ones that seemly shut the loudest.
A certain type of person tends to respond with antipathy to wide appeals to empathy. I imagine they dislike the subtext that it’s shameful that they don’t feel a certain way. Something Yaroslav Granowski said fit this pattern:
To me, it didn’t seem like the post bade for my guilt at all, but he seemed to perceive that quite strongly, to the point of engaging it’s author.
I don’t think there’s anything wrong with people like Yaroslav feeling the way they do. Yes, it feels provocative to engage with. But you don’t gain anything for raging at them.
There are many, many people who share the values you promote here on Lesswrong (me included). There are also those who don’t. Posting will expose us to both. This is one place where we (try to) accept this, despite the discomfort it brings.
I do believe there is an audience receptive to your sentiment on Lesswrong. It just might take a few tries. I wish you the best of luck.
Thanks ceba, for this rational and thoughtful message and encouragement.
To your point of there is nothing wrong with people having their own feelings, in general, yes.
But I guess I was holding LW to a higher standard than general population, where people are actually trying, as they intended, to get less wrong.
I will admit it is enraging to see someone that cloaks themselves in a rationalist mindset when the thing they are doing is the exact opposite.
Especially after I actually politely challenge their presumption and explain my angle first.
However, I do have to point out a flaw in you saying that I don’t gain anything for raging at them.
Actually I do, and I did, gain your opinion on this matter, and I am truly grateful for people like you.
And I found that sometimes, the only way to let others know your opinion on them is not through polite response. As the politer you are, the less some will take your opinion seriously.
Otherwise, the politicians that provides the most rational and truthful arguements would always be in power, not the ones that seemly shut the loudest.
Again, thanks for the encouragement, genuinely.
Yates.